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Fred Sanders

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28. My confusion then is why be such a strong advocate for the poor, say that the ideal family size is

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 03:15 PM

Jan 2015

three, say capitalism is bad, etc., then say he encourages as many children as possible, in a country mired in poverty and population explosion?

It is incredibly illogical. It makes more sense that he hid a message of pro birth control to appease the RW in the Phillipines and it got distorted by the instant outrage, factually distorting mass media.

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Pope's "rabbit" comments are coming into context. [View all] Fred Sanders Jan 2015 OP

Sorry Fred. This pope doens't mince words. He didn't say what he was For. The only thing he did Ninga Jan 2015 #1

I think the simple politics of the Church prevent him from being more explicit. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2

Take comfortant then, reading between the lines. I don't happen to hear his words the same as Ninga Jan 2015 #3

I understand, but the change has to come from the bottom in the Phillipines, and from the top. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4

You mean Pope Francis, I assume. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #5

.............. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7

I think about how much better off this planet would have been if the RCC had never existed. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #6

Yes, abstinence is a form of birth control. Not especially effective in the real world, though. merrily Jan 2015 #8

My opinion is that he saw first hand that folks in Phillipines in poverty are having 10 children as Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #9

and they are all catholic children who can give their last pennies to the church nt msongs Jan 2015 #15

You think he saw that vast sea of poverty caused in part by explosive population..and wants more? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17

Didn't at least one of the news stories specifically say birth control was still merrily Jan 2015 #16

I have been to more than one third world country, seeing it is even not believing the abject poverty Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #21

Oh, no, no no.. No, he is 100% AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #10

That is a highly editorialized report that relies on the same misquote. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #24

Ermahgerd, no. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #26

That is apparently not the quote, mine is from a CNN broadcast: Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11

I don't think the CNN version is inconsistent with my post. merrily Jan 2015 #18

"Breed" versus "be" is significant. Adding the rest of the sentence is significant. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #22

How you get, "Use condoms, not only the rhythm method and abstinence" out of those differences merrily Jan 2015 #33

And what was it about rabbits that he was making the analogy from? NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #35

That is a slightly different issue. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #37

I think I found the video, in the middle of the report : Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #36

You do realize he is advocating, unofficially, for NFP, go ahead and google it... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #12

He is not. I know what it is. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13

You are implying that the Pope is advocating for some type of birth control... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #14

I am saying it outright. What was his full statement on "gender theory"? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #19

Here you go... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #34

"Think of the Hitler Youth," the pope said... beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #38

In context it is not what you use to become outraged at all. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #44

"Gay marriage is 'ideological colonization,' says Vatican spokesman" beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #57

Seems kind of generic comments to me, but interpretation is individual. And the statements are Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #58

LOL! Individual interpretation? That's from the fucking VATICAN. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #63

Ditto. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #64

Look, I agree with a lot of your posts on other issues beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #65

He's 100% opposed to all forms of birth control. That same speech was full of anti gay and anti Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #20

It might be, I have no idea, a full transcript of his address to a 6 million folk live audience Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #23

No transript is needed, he is the world's leading anti birth control activist. He and his Church Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #25

My confusion then is why be such a strong advocate for the poor, say that the ideal family size is Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #28

Exactly. It's total BS to try to help poverty and NOT support birth control. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #31

Religion is made of hypocrisy. He's a hypocrite. His views are conflicting, not based in reason Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #32

Wait, are you appealing to LOGIC in defense of a man who represents his invisible friend? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #81

EVERY interpretation, in EVERY language says or is headlined with: PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #29

Yes. True. Today. But look at how chopped up the quote is. Have you seen the video, from the plane? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #30

what if the audio was ah just okay? snooper2 Jan 2015 #42

You would have to ask someone who speaks Italian about that, the video with audio-captions is at Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #43

Oh, it's an argument for birth control, alright... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #27

And when nfp methods fail women are forced to become incubators for the Church. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #39

Yeah, he's a real revolutionary, alright! Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #48

And he drives a Renault !!! beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #60

Well, I've been told "you gotta start SOMEWHERE"... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #66

This thread marks a whole new level of dishonesty about Francis. This shit gets old, folks. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #40

Yeah, it's literally trying to say he is FOR the thing he and the church are vehemently against PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #41

The most telling part is that none of the many people who know better are posting to correct this Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #45

Have you seen the video and the translation? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #46

Stop it Fred. The Church and the Pope are stridently against any form of birth control other than Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #47

To back up what BNW just said... PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #49

Yes, they would rather people die than use profilactics. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #52

I feel exactly the same way. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #54

Why? Does he say something about condoms? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #50

There is no evidence he was pushing abstinence etc., or birth control, to the Phillipino people he Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #51

Logic, Fred. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #53

Oh logic schmogic. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #59

WHY DO YOU HATE ALL CHRISTIANS!? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #79

I have to live by teh evul athIEst creed, Warren. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #84

How does this OP fit in with the one about FoxNews where you were ranting about who is Catholic Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #55

Consistently means agreeing on the facts before launching into the debate, to me. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #56

To me a shred of consistency is required to prevent incoherncy. Something to consider. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #61

You may be confusing consistency with complexity and nuance. You should see some of my other Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #62

This just in: pope says contradictory shit that makes no sense. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #67

Since he did not say "breed" for starters....watch the video at post 36. It is not contradictory if he was Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #68

Did you want a larger straw to grasp onto? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #70

It is a war on stupidity.....you hate the Pope with a burning passion, how many different ways can Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #71

Actually I don't hate the pope. I have praised him when he has done good things, like with Cuba. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #77

I would be Ok with discussing the video and its message if you have watched it. Not demanding Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #80

I note that you made a specific allegation against me and that when I categorically refuted it Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #82

Dishonest is wanting to criticize a statement and refusing to look at it at all. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #69

For controlling birth rate, but against birth control? Orsino Jan 2015 #72

And that was useful in the debate on the subject? You want debate, fine, you want argument and Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #73

Nothing less than real birth control will be useful. n/t Orsino Jan 2015 #74

The man is politically constrained from saying that, more so in Phillipines...he has said things Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #75

Very much so. Orsino Jan 2015 #76

I think he is preparing the battlefield, he has made more enemies within the Church than all the Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #78

I'm so very sick of the misrepresentation of that 'who am I to judge' snippette from people who Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #85

Fine, then...IN THE CONTEXT of a speech about birth control skepticscott Jan 2015 #86