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In reply to the discussion: The Second Amendment is for everyone — it’s time we armed the children [View all]Sancho
(9,202 posts)173. People Control, Not Gun Control
This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
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The Second Amendment is for everyone — it’s time we armed the children [View all]
Katashi_itto
Jan 2015
OP
So, when people talk about voting rights and marriage rights they obviously mean
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#1
That's not satire. It's an attempt to impose an argument no one is making.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#14
Please point out where advocates of the RKBA want gun ownership for minor children.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#22
Yes, guns kill. Killing rapists is a good thing and guns are good at it.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#117
Didn't read the CDC report that said that guns are used for self-defense often and effectively?
hack89
Jan 2015
#151
It's not diversion or misdirection to point out the fact the OP is a straw man.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#116
The OP is claiming, through failed satire, that RKBA advocates would expand gun ownership
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#160
No, that is the goalpost. RKBA advocates have no desire to expand gun ownership rights to children.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#165
So, in your mind if X number of deaths occur from a thing you want that thing banned?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#170
Do you actually have an arguable assertion to make or do you just run off at the fingertips?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#177
The OP is about grabbers making a straw man argument that pro-RKBA want to arm children.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#180
Please point to the portion of the 2nd Am. that restricts, or allows restrictions based on age.
tradewinds
Jan 2015
#7
So, then it is your contention that becaue the 2A has no age restriction it is bad?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#53
Seeing as the militia must provide its own arms the right of the people
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#24
Silly, you seem to take as a given that there is such a thing as "gun rights" that areanywhere near
tradewinds
Jan 2015
#85
Please quit while you're behind. You've obviously lost this debate. Emoticons can't save you. n/t
benz380
Jan 2015
#172
The 2nd doesn't restrict ownership to a militia. It's a "right of the people" just like the 4th.
NutmegYankee
Jan 2015
#66
You can't be this ignorant of the role the judiciary plays in interpreting the Constitution.
hack89
Jan 2015
#70
Why wasn't that child trained in the proper use of firearms? There are already laws on the books
world wide wally
Jan 2015
#9
Training on weapons should be mandatory starting at age two, which would prevent such tragedies.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#13
One thing I have heard on this forum from gun folks that is true, sadly, is their point
randys1
Jan 2015
#58
Forget about your keys...frustrating, forget about your gun....dead. No weapon is harmless.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#11
Personally I think at age 2, kids should get rocket launchers. But not marry or vote.
Katashi_itto
Jan 2015
#75
(Speaks Slowly) A fiberglass tube with a rocket inside. See, thats what makes it a rocket launcher.
Katashi_itto
Jan 2015
#133
It's a lot harder than taking it out of a purse someone isn't even paying attention to.
Takket
Jan 2015
#154