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Orrex

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44. Seriously? Have you ever had a conversation about raising minimum wage?

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:45 AM

Jan 2015

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Because in every single conversation I've ever had about it, 99% of the discussion is spent trying to convince a few asshats that they will benefit from someone else getting a higher wage.

You know it and I know it, but try telling it to them.

If, in the current context, the example doesn't appeal to you, then use this one instead:

"How would enacting child labor laws now help people who were injured on the job during childhood?"

The answer, of course, is that it wouldn't help people with past grievances but will help people currently in the system or trying to enter it. In its own right it's a worthy effort to stop further hemorrhaging, even if it doesn't help those who've already been screwed.

Why is it important to you that the proposed solution must benefit people that it's not designed or intended to benefit?

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So how does free community college help students now with tons of debt? [View all] davidn3600 Jan 2015 OP

Did anyone claim that making community college free would solve all student debt problems, Vattel Jan 2015 #1

Since when does every plan have to address every problem or every part of it? TeamPooka Jan 2015 #2

No, but I would certainly tak advantage of it and retrain my glowing Jan 2015 #3

Maybe, but future improvements are better than nothing. merrily Jan 2015 #4

Precisely Sherman A1 Jan 2015 #6

Anything people get out of this punchbowl turds (R) Congress would be a miracle. merrily Jan 2015 #8

IKWYM, but changes have to start somewhere. S.Security didn't help the Okies. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #5

And until Eisenhower it did not help the farmers and many service people. I am happy that this is a jwirr Jan 2015 #67

It won't, and as a parent with two kids in college with debt, I hear you. AngryOldDem Jan 2015 #7

E. Warren did try to make student loans more affordable. Shot down. merrily Jan 2015 #9

Not surprised. n/t AngryOldDem Jan 2015 #10

There is also the issue of "degree inflation" davidn3600 Jan 2015 #12

Currently about 32% of Americans over 25 have a bachelor's degree, far from 'everyone' Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #37

Nonsense AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #70

In my day we called them "highschools with ashtrays" because they were free in California. libdem4life Jan 2015 #84

And I am in no way suggesting that education for more people is bad davidn3600 Jan 2015 #89

Yes, it is... in my experience lately. To get the "good" jobs, it takes a MA, thus I'm enrolling libdem4life Jan 2015 #106

Right out of school or in in school - they will support it JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #11

Not from what I have seen davidn3600 Jan 2015 #13

davidn3600 official poll trumad Jan 2015 #15

Official poll was last November when the youth didnt vote at all davidn3600 Jan 2015 #17

Dude I have two kids in college.. trumad Jan 2015 #18

I'm not talking about kids going into college...im talking about kids coming out of college davidn3600 Jan 2015 #21

LOL trumad Jan 2015 #22

I'm done talking to you davidn3600 Jan 2015 #23

Because your logic is flat out ridiculous. trumad Jan 2015 #24

Maybe it's the general sense of entitlement amongst the JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #41

It also doesn't help sciatica. Or lumbago. Or the heartbreak of psoriasis. Recursion Jan 2015 #14

I don't think that was the purpose of it JI7 Jan 2015 #16

How would raising the minimum wage help people who earned the minimum wage last year? Orrex Jan 2015 #19

weird Op trumad Jan 2015 #20

Raising the minimum wage usually leads to raising everyone elses wage too davidn3600 Jan 2015 #27

Seriously? Have you ever had a conversation about raising minimum wage? Orrex Jan 2015 #44

Because apparently, everything that happens anywhere is all about him. closeupready Jan 2015 #47

Suddenly it all makes sense Orrex Jan 2015 #59

The OP has a point, I'm not sure he realizes it and I doubt it disqualifies the idea of helping but Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #30

Plus the OP completely ignores the 2010 student loan reform Recursion Jan 2015 #39

I'm in graduate school now tammywammy Jan 2015 #25

Thanks you! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #42

If I had been smart at the time, that's what I would have done when I was 18. tammywammy Jan 2015 #46

It doesn't, but you have to start to change the system at some point. Vinca Jan 2015 #26

Unrec. File under: "Nothing is ever good enough." FSogol Jan 2015 #28

"This free ice cream is too free." Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #29

I just want someone to explain to me why Obama and Democrats won't touch the student loan issue davidn3600 Jan 2015 #31

You must have missed all the articles about Elizabeth Warren Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #33

Because they massively reformed student loans in 2010 Recursion Jan 2015 #38

Massively reformed? Please do tell ... Myrina Jan 2015 #51

Yes, massively improved Recursion Jan 2015 #56

I think there were also ways to consolidate the loans and to apply for lower monthly payments. jwirr Jan 2015 #71

Andrew Cuomo just did tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #45

Willfull ignorance of the topic Sheepshank Jan 2015 #72

LOL nt DawgHouse Jan 2015 #32

Me me me Renew Deal Jan 2015 #34

Unrec tenderfoot Jan 2015 #35

Uh, it's not just upcoming students that will like it, it's also parents. n/t Dawgs Jan 2015 #36

Bingo trumad Jan 2015 #40

Those loans should be forgiven abelenkpe Jan 2015 #43

Failing that, they should be fully dischargeable in bankruptcy. closeupready Jan 2015 #49

And with that comes the drawbacks. Igel Jan 2015 #53

The "Community College" thing has been pushed at us for years ... Myrina Jan 2015 #48

Community colleges do teach art history, lingustics, and history. FSogol Jan 2015 #50

The CC in my area teaches art history and anthropology courses. tammywammy Jan 2015 #52

I took art history, a couple of literature classes, HappyMe Jan 2015 #55

Community colleges do teach Art History and Linguistics Recursion Jan 2015 #57

Have you seen the internet yet? cbdo2007 Jan 2015 #63

You're not describing the CA system at all. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #64

You're kidding, right? PasadenaTrudy Jan 2015 #68

You're confusing it with a trade school. An AA degree is a mini BA degree, with all of the libdem4life Jan 2015 #85

Wha?!?!? I'm a full time Art History teacher at a Community College. Coventina Jan 2015 #88

How does any kind of "student loan relief" program help those of us who paid off our debt?? cbdo2007 Jan 2015 #54

Good grief! HappyMe Jan 2015 #58

I pulled myself up by bootstraps and paid off my loans years ago. Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #60

So, how does the founding of Yellowstone Park help those who wanted to vacation before 1872? FSogol Jan 2015 #61

The Emancipation Proclamation treestar Jan 2015 #99

Don't invent fire. It isn't fair to all the humans that had to eat meat raw. FSogol Jan 2015 #100

Here's how it will help mythology Jan 2015 #62

I'm a 37 university professor with a boatload of debt. a la izquierda Jan 2015 #65

And what about the student that has already completed the first two years of college? jwirr Jan 2015 #66

An entire generation has been sacrificed at the altar of enriching KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #69

Who put forth the half-witted and irrelevant premise that it would? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #73

Nobody did. isobar Jan 2015 #78

Perfection is the enemy of progress WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #74

Sorry but I just find this whole idea to be useless davidn3600 Jan 2015 #75

You are right, it isnt perfect so throw it out...Let the teaparty come up with an idea NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #76

Oh, the I didn't get a pony, so you can't have one either!!! isobar Jan 2015 #77

It helps me because I know my kids wont have the debt I had. dilby Jan 2015 #79

It doesn't. The two things aren't related. cheapdate Jan 2015 #80

Well, that's the problem davidn3600 Jan 2015 #81

Yes. The scale of the student debt problem is enormous, the consequences are deep. cheapdate Jan 2015 #86

It cost me 130 thousand dollars for my son to get a bachelor degree. I think it's a great idea. B Calm Jan 2015 #82

How did the ACA help someone that had to file bankrupcy doc03 Jan 2015 #83

It helps you because chances are you will have to go to a doctor at some point in the future davidn3600 Jan 2015 #87

I didn't think it was necessary to add the sarcasm thing, I guess I should have n/t doc03 Jan 2015 #95

If I was a space alien I'd rip off all the uberwealthy in "technology sharing" investment schemes... hunter Jan 2015 #90

It will.That degree you just finished is not your ticket to never needing classes or training again. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2015 #91

Unlikely... davidn3600 Jan 2015 #92

Well, they'll get to compete for jobs with kids who aren't saddled by massive debt hughee99 Jan 2015 #93

Those who went to community college are probably not saddled with tons of debt Kaleva Jan 2015 #94

It doesn't. bigwillq Jan 2015 #96

I will miss out. I graduated in 1979. upaloopa Jan 2015 #97

But you probably didn't take on the debt that kids are being forced to take on these days davidn3600 Jan 2015 #98

No I had to spend a year in Vietnam getting upaloopa Jan 2015 #101

Unfortunately, it doesn't. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #102

There should be a complete bail out of Federal Student loans. They did it with the Banks. Why not? YOHABLO Jan 2015 #103

Won't answer your questions, but before Reagan, in California, community college was free. Trillo Jan 2015 #104

Don't know if this has been posted yet or not SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #105