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Showing Original Post only (View all)American Sniper makes Tarantino’s over-the-top movie our sad reality [View all]
Im glad Im not the only one who noticed this about American Sniper, which is breaking box office records as wingnut America wallows in their violent fantasies.
American Sniper is about Chris Kyle, who has been deemed a hero because hes really efficient at killing, claiming 255 kills of other human beings, 160 of which the Department of Defense has confirmed. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero.
Stolz der Nation (The Nations Pride) is about Fredrick Zoller, who is deemed by the Nazi government a hero because hes really efficient at killing, claiming 250 kills, mostly of American and British soldiers on the Western front. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero. Unlike Chris Kyle, however, Fredrick Zoller is a fictional character. He is, however, loosely based on Matthias Hetzenauer, an Austrian sniper whose kill count dwarfs Kyles at a whopping 345 kills, mostly of Russian soldiers, all before his 21st birthday. Hetzenauer was awarded the Iron Cross for his killing spree, deemed heroic by his nation, just as Kyles is deemed heroic by ours.
Unlike American Sniper, you can watch the entirety of Stolz der Nation online, if you wish. Its only about 6 minutes long, making it a lot easier to take than American Sniper.
...conservatives are such babies in our modern era that they feel entitled to denounce you for stating the obvious. Country musician Craig Morgan complained that Rogens tweet was inaccurate and insensitive, even though he did not explain how it was inaccurate nor did he explain why the sensitivities of American conservatives need special protection from stating the obvious. Kid Rock, furious at even a whiff of a suggestion that perhaps theres untoward urges underlining the popularity of this movie, said he hopes Rogen catches a fist in the face soon. Thatll show those people who are worried that conservatives just love thoughtless violence! The Daily Caller denounced Rogens tweet as offensive without detailing exactly what they feel Rogen got wrong. Breitbart, unwilling to explain how American Sniper is different from Stolz der Nation, called Rogen grossly overweight and said he wasnt familiar with the grueling regimen Cooper endured. It is worth pointing out that Rogen is equally unfamiliar with sitting in a tower sniping Allied forces. If Rogens unfamiliarity with something is proof that it is awesome, then I feel that Breitbart should really be consistent about this.
Its just really interesting how zero conservatives Ive seen can really explain why they think theres this big difference. I mean, if you believe it, you should be able to explain it. Its not necessarily self-evident. The point of the short film in Tarantinos movie wasnt just Nazis bad. He was actually calling into question the way that films that celebrate war as inherently glorious and heroic encourage, no duh, nations to go to war. The fact that its hard to tell fascist propaganda from American nationalist propaganda shouldnt offend you. It should concern you. If we are going to say were better than that, we should actually start fucking acting like it, Id say.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/american-sniper-makes-tarantinos-over-the-top-movie-our-sad-reality/
Seth Rogan:
American Sniper kind of reminds me of the movie that's showing in the third act of Inglorious Basterds.
American Sniper is about Chris Kyle, who has been deemed a hero because hes really efficient at killing, claiming 255 kills of other human beings, 160 of which the Department of Defense has confirmed. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero.
Stolz der Nation (The Nations Pride) is about Fredrick Zoller, who is deemed by the Nazi government a hero because hes really efficient at killing, claiming 250 kills, mostly of American and British soldiers on the Western front. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero. Unlike Chris Kyle, however, Fredrick Zoller is a fictional character. He is, however, loosely based on Matthias Hetzenauer, an Austrian sniper whose kill count dwarfs Kyles at a whopping 345 kills, mostly of Russian soldiers, all before his 21st birthday. Hetzenauer was awarded the Iron Cross for his killing spree, deemed heroic by his nation, just as Kyles is deemed heroic by ours.
Unlike American Sniper, you can watch the entirety of Stolz der Nation online, if you wish. Its only about 6 minutes long, making it a lot easier to take than American Sniper.
...conservatives are such babies in our modern era that they feel entitled to denounce you for stating the obvious. Country musician Craig Morgan complained that Rogens tweet was inaccurate and insensitive, even though he did not explain how it was inaccurate nor did he explain why the sensitivities of American conservatives need special protection from stating the obvious. Kid Rock, furious at even a whiff of a suggestion that perhaps theres untoward urges underlining the popularity of this movie, said he hopes Rogen catches a fist in the face soon. Thatll show those people who are worried that conservatives just love thoughtless violence! The Daily Caller denounced Rogens tweet as offensive without detailing exactly what they feel Rogen got wrong. Breitbart, unwilling to explain how American Sniper is different from Stolz der Nation, called Rogen grossly overweight and said he wasnt familiar with the grueling regimen Cooper endured. It is worth pointing out that Rogen is equally unfamiliar with sitting in a tower sniping Allied forces. If Rogens unfamiliarity with something is proof that it is awesome, then I feel that Breitbart should really be consistent about this.
Its just really interesting how zero conservatives Ive seen can really explain why they think theres this big difference. I mean, if you believe it, you should be able to explain it. Its not necessarily self-evident. The point of the short film in Tarantinos movie wasnt just Nazis bad. He was actually calling into question the way that films that celebrate war as inherently glorious and heroic encourage, no duh, nations to go to war. The fact that its hard to tell fascist propaganda from American nationalist propaganda shouldnt offend you. It should concern you. If we are going to say were better than that, we should actually start fucking acting like it, Id say.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/american-sniper-makes-tarantinos-over-the-top-movie-our-sad-reality/
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phantom power
Jan 2015
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Seth's on the money, as usual. It is interesting to see his right wing detractors use the same
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
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