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278. I doubt the official story

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:40 PM

Jan 2015

I personally don't believe it. He was talking too much, someone wanted him dead. Of course, you could be right but I hold my doubts.

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The demonization of Chris Kyle [View all] B2G Jan 2015 OP

never mind that the troops are all volunteer... n/t 2naSalit Jan 2015 #1

From what I've heard and read about the guy he seemed to take joy in killing. He was certainly not Erose999 Jan 2015 #2

I think he demonized himself. When you write how much 'fun' killing was, that sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #3

Universal soldier earthside Jan 2015 #4

written by buffy sainte-marie spanone Jan 2015 #295

Pretty much it's his claim to have killed people in the New Orleans Katrina aftermath. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #5

And the people he killed in Dallas trying to jack his truck. Initech Jan 2015 #131

It's no doubt he was murdered by the government for leaking that bit of info Reter Jan 2015 #275

No, he was killed by a veteran suffering from PTSD. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #277

I doubt the official story Reter Jan 2015 #278

I don't doubt it at all. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #279

A burst of hot air blows the closet door open whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #6

Too true! n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #11

Chris Kyle made himself into a demon Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #7

I haven't read his autobiography but I Ghost of Tom Joad Jan 2015 #132

Kyle is your typical redneck. Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #292

thank you MFM008 Jan 2015 #159

some people see enemies everywhere...and CK is easy pickings. ileus Jan 2015 #8

Yeah, like the ones who killed all those Iraqis. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #57

Kyle took the veteran who killed him to a shooting range to help him over PSTD. That's stupid. Hoyt Jan 2015 #9

If he wasn't "American Sniper" and an icon JackRiddler Jan 2015 #58

One wonders what actually happened there; like, if kyle and his friend used ridicule and shame ND-Dem Jan 2015 #192

Would not be surprised if they bullied him. I think he is going to trial shortly. Hoyt Jan 2015 #199

I think the CIA had him killed Reter Jan 2015 #276

I don't know anything about him walkingman Jan 2015 #10

+100000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2naSalit Jan 2015 #187

Seth Rogen compared the movie to Inglorious Basterds. Initech Jan 2015 #290

A Navy SEAL that thinks like an elite warrior, evidently braddy Jan 2015 #12

+1 Saucepan of Kerbango Jan 2015 #47

And any civilians he might have killed edhopper Jan 2015 #51

He did his job Saucepan of Kerbango Jan 2015 #54

As a sniper, why would he be killing anyone other than handpicked targets? He wasn't braddy Jan 2015 #55

That's exactly what he was doing Saucepan of Kerbango Jan 2015 #64

You misunderstand, my point was that as a professional sniper, he was handpicking braddy Jan 2015 #73

absolutely correct Saucepan of Kerbango Jan 2015 #80

It was not his job to kill civilians in New Orleans after Katrina as he claimed to have done notadmblnd Jan 2015 #134

Is there any evidence of this? delta17 Jan 2015 #143

He wrote in his book that he killed people in LA. notadmblnd Jan 2015 #144

He might be a liar. delta17 Jan 2015 #156

Well, Kyle's estate has ALREADY been ruled LIABLE. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2015 #161

ok hes a liar MFM008 Jan 2015 #163

When did I say it was? delta17 Jan 2015 #165

The revelation for me was how he had to beat his chest about what he did. Demit Jan 2015 #133

That is what gets me. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #181

or MFM008 Jan 2015 #162

I saw this the other day. atreides1 Jan 2015 #13

Every war produces our top sniper/snipers, that isn't something new. braddy Jan 2015 #16

Since when did American snipers become something bad? Maedhros Jan 2015 #68

^^this^^ truebluegreen Jan 2015 #78

One would think that the "Liberals" on this board would understand this small point, Maedhros Jan 2015 #85

Amen. nt truebluegreen Jan 2015 #88

I don't necessarily see any sniper hero worship. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #91

I understand the psychological training that allows young men to kill in war. Maedhros Jan 2015 #101

You make an important point. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #182

He wanted to go to war in the first place and tried repeatedly to get in elite service branches. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #200

They aint Liberals tkmorris Jan 2015 #145

Hence the scare quotes. Maedhros Jan 2015 #146

Seems like those types are half the board now. What happened to the old DU? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #202

The question is when did American snipers become something to demonize? braddy Jan 2015 #79

Who's demonizing all snipers? Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #87

I don't think that Chris Kyle, born 1974 in Texas, died in 2013 in Texas, and with braddy Jan 2015 #95

Yeah, it's apparent he was Commander McBragg. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #98

If you knew anything about military serivice, you would know that this elite Navy SEAL and braddy Jan 2015 #111

Incorrect DesertDawg Jan 2015 #122

Nonsense, official kills are official, Kyle's actual kills, and many snipers actual kills are braddy Jan 2015 #171

Try Again DesertDawg Jan 2015 #193

I'm sorry that you heard it from someone, but it isn't the way it is, let's look at "White Feather" braddy Jan 2015 #198

"the beloved marine sniper" -- fucking gag me. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #203

Carlos Hathcock is a highly revered Marine, not only for his famous skill and courage, but for his braddy Jan 2015 #207

only psychos revere snipers, or designate them as "beloved". ND-Dem Jan 2015 #208

I realize that is intended as a personal insult, but your ignorance of the man and his importance, braddy Jan 2015 #209

it wasn't intended as an insult at all. Snipers are not "beloved". Mothers are beloved; children ND-Dem Jan 2015 #214

Who said it wasn't? Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #126

Well the records would prove the most relevant points, he was a Navy SEAL, an braddy Jan 2015 #176

You can accept his military record as a Navy SEAL and an elite sniper, and braddy Jan 2015 #288

Snipers used to be demonized regularly Matrosov Jan 2015 #286

Actually from the Revolutionary war, the Civil war and more, snipers were honored and praised. braddy Jan 2015 #287

every death in Iraq at the hands of a U.S. soldier is "something bad" ? oberliner Jan 2015 #148

YES. polly7 Jan 2015 #153

What about Zarqawi? oberliner Jan 2015 #166

He traveled to Iraq to fight what he saw as an illegal, immoral invasion polly7 Jan 2015 #265

You see what I'm trying to do and it's pathetic? oberliner Jan 2015 #266

Just answer my questions. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #267

And btw ..... who are you, or was anyone else, to judge who deserved killing and polly7 Jan 2015 #269

It was all from a poisoned well, and you can see what wonderful results it's had so far. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #204

+1 mike_c Jan 2015 #168

Exactly! mountain grammy Jan 2015 #180

and, he loved it. according to his own book. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #195

Depends. Are they plying their trade in war zones or New Orleans? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2015 #294

+1 whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #19

Thank you. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #59

'He was only doing his job' - 'we were just following orders' sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #14

He enjoyed killing and he was a braggart and a liar. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #15

Ventura never served on a SEAL team, he was UDT. braddy Jan 2015 #18

Which was the precursor to the SEALs. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2015 #25

Sorry but UDT and SEALs were two different units that existed simultaneously, UDT disbanded in 1983 braddy Jan 2015 #40

It's a distinction without a difference. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2015 #43

LOL, so UDT and SEALs were just two different names for the same guys for 21 years and braddy Jan 2015 #49

... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #211

Two different units, that is why they had SEALs and UDT, and why you posted that in 1983 braddy Jan 2015 #216

All the first seal teams were UDTs. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #238

You really are ignorant of these things, and evidently aren't even reading the sources braddy Jan 2015 #240

well, prove it, oh expert on all things military (cough) ND-Dem Jan 2015 #242

Why don't you read your own sources and use some common sense. braddy Jan 2015 #246

Here's what my source says, and yours is different. So what's yours from? Why not link it? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #249

Go look at your number 3 on your sources you posted to me. braddy Jan 2015 #252

"In 1962, President Kennedy established SEAL Teams ONE and TWO from the existing UDT Teams ND-Dem Jan 2015 #254

I don't deny a direct link and keep telling you that is completely natural and typical, braddy Jan 2015 #270

You are correct. jen63 Jan 2015 #241

Ventura tried to pass himself off as a "hunter of men" in Vietnam as a Navy SEAL, he braddy Jan 2015 #251

Contact the Navy jen63 Jan 2015 #255

We have already covered that Ventura has backed off his attempts to portray himself as a SEAL braddy Jan 2015 #271

Kyle is a proven jen63 Jan 2015 #280

LOL, Kyle is proven one of the greatest Navy SEALs ever, Ventura is a proven fake Vietnam vet who braddy Jan 2015 #281

He didn't have to attend BUD/s jen63 Jan 2015 #282

Seal team 6 didn't exist and SEALs, Rangers, and Special Forces, were not denied recognition for braddy Jan 2015 #284

There is no difference between UDT and SEALS nt jen63 Jan 2015 #285

You can't argue such details with DU's new "liberal" military fetishists n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #72

Ain't it the truth? Sheldon Cooper Jan 2015 #76

I was staying out of this sniper thing because at first I thought it was just people who thought braddy Jan 2015 #90

You forgot the bit about Kyle alleging he killed American civilians during a disaster. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #129

He also lied about jen63 Jan 2015 #245

talking through your hat. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #213

What are you babbling about? whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #228

And yet... DesertDawg Jan 2015 #130

Ventura never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. braddy Jan 2015 #190

LOL, two differnt units, two different TYPE of units, that is why SEALs were created and braddy Jan 2015 #173

"All SEALs came from the Navy's Underwater Demolition Teams...." ND-Dem Jan 2015 #215

All UDT members are considered jen63 Jan 2015 #247

tell it to the resident expert... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #250

And Kyle lied about his encounter with Ventura. n/t Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #81

Technically true, but they were SEALs later. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #167

No UDT remained UDT, SEALs were a different unit, although some UDT did try out for SEALs, or become braddy Jan 2015 #174

Kyle still lied about him and defamed him, Jamastiene Jan 2015 #178

That would have relevance if I was arguing that Ventura didn't win an 8-2 defamation suit. braddy Jan 2015 #184

All the first SEALs came from UDT. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #217

UDT are considered SEALS jen63 Jan 2015 #248

That's how I feel about the guy, too. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2015 #26

+1 n/t tammywammy Jan 2015 #29

I do not understand the mind of someone who would volunteer to be a sniper. MineralMan Jan 2015 #17

Not everyone is suited for being a sniper, partly because of the intimacy and personal braddy Jan 2015 #23

My opinion remains the same. MineralMan Jan 2015 #31

I understand that, having known such men myself. braddy Jan 2015 #52

"because of the intimacy and personal responsibility of the kill" delrem Jan 2015 #201

The words describe a sniper's kill, the intimacy of the scoped target cleary seen and identified. braddy Jan 2015 #206

it's war porn. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #219

That sounds like something you need to work out yourself, but to normal people, it isn't porn. braddy Jan 2015 #221

The words and description are yours. nt delrem Jan 2015 #256

war porn, indeed. earlier on they call another sniper "beloved". and can't see how weird and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #218

Yes, they're betrayed by their language. delrem Jan 2015 #257

Sorry, but Carlos Hathcock is a beloved figure to Marines, as is Kyle, braddy Jan 2015 #272

Lee Child summed it up succinccly through Jack Reacher Brother Buzz Jan 2015 #27

Actually there's a fifth type tularetom Jan 2015 #100

That's what this dumb draftee thought back in the day Brother Buzz Jan 2015 #113

He should have just not shot anyone and let the insurgents kill Americans. dilby Jan 2015 #20

Americans should have never been there Bandit Jan 2015 #77

^^^ RiverLover Jan 2015 #263

Well, then you are not reading very well. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #139

yeah; it was illegal, we started it, but we sure don't want any americans dying, even though they ND-Dem Jan 2015 #220

Fuck him. Iggo Jan 2015 #21

I do not view him as a hero B2G Jan 2015 #22

He either lied about murdering 30 people after Katrina... Iggo Jan 2015 #28

This is the guy who claimed to kill 30 innocent people in New Orleans? NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #61

Yes tammywammy Jan 2015 #69

Either way, it doesn't sound HappyMe Jan 2015 #99

+1000 Hissyspit Jan 2015 #140

My father... DesertDawg Jan 2015 #65

+100 JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #93

Exactly my point. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #169

Sadly DesertDawg Jan 2015 #196

none of the servicemen i've know (WW2-Korea) ever wanted to talk about it, at least to me. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #222

you don't view someone who said he killed 30-some people during Katrina as a Satan? CreekDog Jan 2015 #82

A Satan - no. A liar - yes. ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #205

I don't think you know what you believe LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #104

Not demonizing him. I don't have a problem with military snipers, or TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #24

He's been proven in a court of law to be a liar BainsBane Jan 2015 #30

Yes i find it disgusting as well. Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #32

I don't care that he was a sniper tammywammy Jan 2015 #41

I forgot about the gas station story. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2015 #45

Kyle's lies about Ventura. tammywammy Jan 2015 #48

Okay, got it. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2015 #74

This is a long article, Jamastiene Jan 2015 #259

You don't become a sniper involuntarily madokie Jan 2015 #33

You do realize that snipers also protect the president B2G Jan 2015 #34

No comparison madokie Jan 2015 #37

Wow, so you could have been a SEAL and a sniper, but you just didn't want to, uh, OK. braddy Jan 2015 #44

I didn't say I could have been a Seal madokie Jan 2015 #71

You claimed that you could have been a sniper, presumably a Special Operations sniper braddy Jan 2015 #83

he didn't say anything like that. do you have a problem with english? it would explain why you ND-Dem Jan 2015 #223

You keep wanting to personalize this, Carlos Hathcock is beloved by Marines, are you a braddy Jan 2015 #225

snipers aren't "beloved" by anyone except psychos; so unless you have a problem with the english ND-Dem Jan 2015 #227

Now you are just making up things, that clearly isn't true and it never has been. braddy Jan 2015 #231

He was a liar. alarimer Jan 2015 #35

+1 lunasun Jan 2015 #127

How do you know what happened philosslayer Jan 2015 #212

Interpreting mere criticism as demonization illustrates the first critical flaw in an irrational... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #36

An irrational premise is necessary here. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #62

Sounds like "just following orders" to me. Lex Jan 2015 #38

My thoughts edhopper Jan 2015 #53

He was a disgusting human being who reveled in killing innocents. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #39

no players ... no game. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #42

Exactly. HappyMe Jan 2015 #50

LOL you know very little about him JonLP24 Jan 2015 #46

"Doing his job." JackRiddler Jan 2015 #56

most of the movie haters haven't even seen it... lame54 Jan 2015 #60

I did see it. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #67

why did you go pay to see this movie... lame54 Jan 2015 #92

Please read. Thank you. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #115

My father-in-law was a medic. hunter Jan 2015 #63

Well, he's hardly Alvin York or Audie Murphy... Tom Ripley Jan 2015 #66

The man was clearly a hero, his 2 Silver Stars, and 5 Bronze medals, and a massive enemy reward braddy Jan 2015 #70

Sorry, I didn't mean to disturb anyone's fanboy pleasures (Confession: since I am very fond of... Tom Ripley Jan 2015 #86

And there you have it edhopper Jan 2015 #89

The Silver Star is for heroism, yes. braddy Jan 2015 #96

So was the Iron Cross edhopper Jan 2015 #118

Who knows what that is supposed to mean, Americans don't award the Iron Cross for valor, we braddy Jan 2015 #175

Were theGerman soldiers edhopper Jan 2015 #185

I wore a German award on my uniform, jump wings earned with a German Special Operations unit, braddy Jan 2015 #186

Nevermind edhopper Jan 2015 #188

You don't have to personally agree with how the military designates heroism. braddy Jan 2015 #191

you're the big military expert and you don't know what an iron cross is? i don't believe you and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #232

LOL, you are spinning out of control. braddy Jan 2015 #234

says the person who finds snipers "beloved". ND-Dem Jan 2015 #236

You can fight on the wrong side and still be a hero.. EX500rider Jan 2015 #117

Well edhopper Jan 2015 #120

"And under your criteria, the Charlie Hedbo killers could be seen as heroes." EX500rider Jan 2015 #124

I was talking about Kyle edhopper Jan 2015 #137

Don't forget his phil89 Jan 2015 #94

Seriously? That's what makes someone a "hero" to you? hunter Jan 2015 #97

We can have our own definitions of hero, but the military is in charge of their braddy Jan 2015 #108

It's perfectly possible to get a bunch of medals Hissyspit Jan 2015 #141

medals don't = hero. and the police give rewards for helping find murderers too. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #226

LOL, you don't have to define him as a hero, nor do I, nor does my barber, but the military braddy Jan 2015 #233

The nazis gave medals for heroism too; they didn't mean much. Better a child than a war hard-on. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #235

The Nazi soldiers and death camp guards were just "doing their jobs" too dissentient Jan 2015 #75

I don't get it either. Why all the hate for someone who clipped 30 people post-Katrina? tenderfoot Jan 2015 #84

His Katrina claim certainly endears him to the Fox "News" mob. Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #112

The world is a way better place without that piece of shit in it. Iggo Jan 2015 #135

This has been debunked jen63 Jan 2015 #253

That may well be but there's plenty of evidence that Mr. Kyle had some issues... tenderfoot Jan 2015 #260

If Chris Kyle was really in NO, then I'm really an astronaut who killed 30 aliens on Mars. chrisa Jan 2015 #274

So you knew Chris personally? Sounds as if you did. Avalux Jan 2015 #102

You can do a lot better for heroes than a compulsive liar LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #103

Yeah, but how about that badass heroic kill count?!? n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #106

Oh yeah, the "rock n' roll" sniper LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #109

Yup whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #110

In my experience, the REAL heroes tend not to be self-aggrandizing liars. riqster Jan 2015 #105

+1 Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #114

You go to war once Runningdawg Jan 2015 #107

he did his job. ellenfl Jan 2015 #116

after nuremburg, following orders is no longer a defense nt msongs Jan 2015 #119

You're defending a known liar who claimed to enjoyed killing abelenkpe Jan 2015 #121

Chris Kyle, by all accounts, was a compulsive liar, braggart, and sociopath. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #123

"Just Following Orders" and "I didn't know" were found lacking at Nuremberg. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #125

He's the current face of an unpopular war. Inkfreak Jan 2015 #128

Um, no. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Jan 2015 #177

he's convicted by his own testimony. he murdered americans too. he loved killing. he loved war. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #230

He was mentally ill. That's clear to me. Tatiana Jan 2015 #136

Oh, give me a fucking break... Hissyspit Jan 2015 #138

+++ Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #189

seemed like a lying sociopath to me. wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #147

DU, in direct contrast to its collective self-image, brooks no paradox or nuance. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #149

No paradox, complexity, context, nuance allowed! Kyle was a victim/hero of a false war AND he was evil. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #150

I don't agree that he was evil. And of course, that makes ME evil. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #152

I take back "evil". Ill? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #154

I think at worst the guy was a loudmouth. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #155

Clint Eastwood is the one that should be critiqued for plagiarizing Call of Duty. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #157

If COD had the sniping spots Kyle had, I'd never stop playing it. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #164

according to himself, he killed americans during katrina. ptsd doesn't excuse murder. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #229

Excellent post. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #158

No, it's not. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #244

Who appointed you forum nanny, arbiter of what other DUers are allowed to like? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #261

Nobody, and I'm not. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #262

I never reply without reading the entire thread. I find it stops me from making knee-jerk posts, msanthrope Jan 2015 #268

Oh, give me a fucking break. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #243

He "demonized" himself. 99Forever Jan 2015 #151

LOL, so you missed the superdome story and the gas station story and the slander story??? nt Logical Jan 2015 #160

Your OP has left me baffled and not a little disturbed. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #170

Nice post. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #172

everyone is "just doing their job". ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2015 #179

Read his book. Kyle expressed his desire to go to Iraq PM Martin Jan 2015 #183

Didn't this psycho confess to killing Americans? workinclasszero Jan 2015 #194

My Dad and all my uncles served in WW2 workinclasszero Jan 2015 #197

Same here, my brother asked my dad one time how many people he killed.... Logical Jan 2015 #210

One of my Uncles fought the Japanese workinclasszero Jan 2015 #264

+ 100! nt Logical Jan 2015 #291

war's not a game. soldiers aren't players. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #224

Its because he's a violent murdering sociopath Ramses Jan 2015 #237

Hate the hype. not the person bhikkhu Jan 2015 #239

You actually feel sympathy for this "troubled person"? delrem Jan 2015 #258

I don't hate people. bhikkhu Jan 2015 #273

I don't have sympathy for cold blooded killers. delrem Jan 2015 #297

he was a shitbag of a human being. piss on him. KG Jan 2015 #283

I know you are not supposed to speak ill of the dead. Initech Jan 2015 #289

"hate the game, not the player." lumberjack_jeff Jan 2015 #293

What do you want us to do? butterfly77 Jan 2015 #296

7 Big Lies 'American Sniper' Is Telling America Hissyspit Jan 2015 #298

Thank you for posting. Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #299