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pampango

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45. Do you think that China's growth would have been limited without NAFTA? 90% of China's trade is not
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jan 2015

with the US. Trade with China is a bigger part of Germany's economy than it is of the US economy. Germany's unions and middle class are doing just fine. Our problems are internal not the fault of poor people in other countries. We can't blame our regressive taxes, little support for unions and an ineffective safety net on the Chinese or the Mexicans or the Kenyans or the Peruvians. The problem is much closer to home.

Obama promised to work to revise NAFTA to protect Worker's Rights and he hasn't ...

Assuming Obama really means to 'protect worker rights' covering them in TPP which includes Canada and Mexico would be one way to do it.

NAFTA to protect Worker's Rights and he hasn't because the cow was out of the barn and had run over the cliff since that opened the door to shipping our manufacturing overseas to China ...

NAFTA had nothing to do with China. Do you really think that China's growth would have been limited if the US and Canada had avoided a trade agreement with Mexico?

... and anywhere else where workers could be abused with substandard working conditions and wages that kept them in poverty.

"Trade agreements can be written and negotiated to raise living standards for workers and to enforce environmental protections vital to survival of the planet ..."

... the rest we won't know about because it is secret and Fast Track means none of us will know until it's signed.

No. 'Fast track' affects the ratification/rejection process, not the negotiating process.

"Fast Track means none of us will know until it's signed." Do you believe that denying 'fast track' means that we WILL know what's in it before it is signed? The negotiations have been going on in secret for years without 'fast track'. Why would the continuing lack of 'fast track' suddenly open up the negotiating process?

With 'fast track' the negotiations can be secret or they can be public. In the absence of 'fast track' the negotiations can be secret or they can be public.


IF we ever get a trade agreement that would "raise living standards for workers and to enforce environmental protections vital to survival of the planet ...", do you think it is likely that republican majorities in the House and Senate will not cut out precisely those provisions that "raise living standards for workers and to enforce environmental protections vital to survival of the planet ..." and leave in the stuff that corporations and the 1% like, if they are allowed to do so?
disgusting nt grasswire Jan 2015 #1
Judging from the past, nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #2
Thank You for this post. I heard Sir Goldmith give that interview when it happened.... KoKo Jan 2015 #3
"How the heck can "Fast Track for TPP" be "Progressive Goals?" nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #14
It would be disgusting enough if it was just what it looks like. Marr Jan 2015 #4
The TPP is so nasty that they will most likely pass it with bi-partisan support. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #13
What a great interview. He identified the major cause and effect of our current inequality crisis. pa28 Jan 2015 #6
I have written my Senators twice on this issue. Both send me rhetoric crap in their responses. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #5
In meeting with my long time "wired in" House Rep KoKo Jan 2015 #17
Does the definition of "Trade Agreement" include all of the side issues they are rhett o rick Jan 2015 #18
All we know is what Wikileaks has revealed because its still secret and "Fast Track" KoKo Jan 2015 #19
Well boys. It's feet to the fire time again. pa28 Jan 2015 #7
That's our job. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #8
Revolting that it is constantly our job with a Democratic President. nt woo me with science Jan 2015 #42
Absolutely nothing else he ever does will make up for this. FiveGoodMen Jan 2015 #9
+10 n/t whathehell Jan 2015 #15
Is there any first hand administration source for any of this? George II Jan 2015 #10
Well he mentioned his support for it in his SOTU speech last night.. KoKo Jan 2015 #20
All I heard (and this is now from the transcript), was: George II Jan 2015 #21
What did that sentence mean to you? KoKo Jan 2015 #25
You left out part of the sentence: George II Jan 2015 #26
"to protect American workers" - that's the bullshit part, right there. djean111 Jan 2015 #29
Whatever - I don't subscribe to the "pick and choose" philosophy. George II Jan 2015 #30
I am not picking and choosing - I am saying the whole thing is a corporate coup. djean111 Jan 2015 #31
"... "Fast Track" authority which means Senate does the vote without even seeing what's in the Trade pampango Jan 2015 #27
Here....Explains better than my quick post: KoKo Jan 2015 #33
"Trade agreements can be written and negotiated to raise living standards for workers and to enforce pampango Jan 2015 #35
How do you know this as a fact since the trade agreement is secret except KoKo Jan 2015 #38
We don't. The negotiations are secret as most are. Republicans accused FDR of the same thing pampango Jan 2015 #41
But, the TPP is written by Corporations...Obama requests "Fast Track" KoKo Jan 2015 #44
Do you think that China's growth would have been limited without NAFTA? 90% of China's trade is not pampango Jan 2015 #45
"Tea party and other conservatives oppose the legislation..." nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #11
The republican base does oppose the TPP and fast track. Their politicians don't care. pampango Jan 2015 #28
So much theater going on right now. It's bigger than a three-ring circus. nt stillwaiting Jan 2015 #12
Yep. Let's talk about bread bags and pretend the Republicans are our only problem. woo me with science Jan 2015 #22
I know...the distractions thrown out there KoKo Jan 2015 #40
. glasshouses Jan 2015 #16
And what's inside the package woo me with science Jan 2015 #23
Welfare for the Wealthy. Octafish Jan 2015 #24
We have a serious problem in our party when it comes to the economy. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #32
And the MIC wars for profit. And the growing police state woo me with science Jan 2015 #34
K&R Howler Jan 2015 #36
KICK woo me with science Jan 2015 #37
Complete Corporate Control coming to a Country near you! RiverLover Jan 2015 #39
Ugh. AzDar Jan 2015 #43
Fast Track = "We can't pass this democratically and constitutionally" Populist_Prole Jan 2015 #46
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