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Donald Ian Rankin

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51. He was almost certainly one of those, and nearly two.

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:06 PM

Jan 2015

Yes, he almost certainly wasn't racist or violent.

But he almost certainly *was* deeply homophobic, and while I'm not sure it would be accurate to describe him as "misogynistic", he was almost certainly immensely sexist and chauvinistic.

The oft-cited claim that there is not one line in the Bible attributed to him on the subject of homosexuality is *not*, as often claimed, evidence that his views on it matched those of 21st century liberals, it's evidence that his views on it matched those of the religious tradition he came from, and of his immediate followers (whose views on it are well-documented) and beyond "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it" he didn't feel the need to change anything.

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INFOGRAPHIC: A Huge Map of the World's Religions [View all] Fred Sanders Jan 2015 OP

How sad 4now Jan 2015 #1

Sad to see the racist, homophobic, violent, and misogynistic Abrahamic faiths dominate so much of Coventina Jan 2015 #2

Believe it or not, Jesus Christ was not "racist, homophobic, violent or misogynistic". Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #5

Or even a real person...not that it matters WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #8

Obama's not a real person? Because he doesn't have a birth certificate? bananas Jan 2015 #11

i believe s/he was referring to Jesus. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #50

It's disturbing to see so much religious prejudice and intolerance on a supposed liberal website. nt bananas Jan 2015 #10

Not liking intolerant religious folks does not mean you have to also be intolerant. But, free speech Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #18

Imagine no religion malaise Jan 2015 #58

Even Obama used his faith as a weapon of denigration toward LGBT people 'I am a Christian!' he would Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #17

Opposing bigotry is not bigotry. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #20

Actually, looks more like criticism and pointing out hypocrisy. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #24

Uh not at all. I'm a skilled Christian theologian unlike yourself. The post I responded to I could Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #26

The politics and the nation were not ready yet for that. Times changed. Maybe Obama changed. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #27

You leveled accusations at me that were false. I see no repentance in a 'faith community' that Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #31

I equally object. I am not even sure what we are arguing about. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #32

You said this to me: "You are preaching the same hate and intolerance you preach against." Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #37

Yes, now I remember. Please do not assume who I am, the Internet is not for personal assumptions, maybe Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #38

Now you remember? You said that in this thread, you hurled the first stone. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #40

You shouldn't have to read stupid shit like Flanders posted above. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #43

"Flanders" beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #56

Flanders....... SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #61

No, Jesus was not, but institutionally the Christian Church has been, and largely (the Catholic and Coventina Jan 2015 #34

Gandhi said the same thing...I am with you and the world's greatest example of peaceful resistance, but I am no Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #39

Yeah, people who follow the happy parts of their holy books aren't the problem though snooper2 Jan 2015 #46

The trick is to make your "holy books" the Gospels, and forget the other stuff. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #48

He was almost certainly one of those, and nearly two. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #51

So not a single Gospel verse to document his "deep homophobia"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #52

Yes, several such verses. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #53

That's like saying that anyone who ever urged "respect for the law", Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #54

Why is Atheism in the graphic WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #3

It is under the "Irreligious" categorization. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4

Its a list of "the world's religions" WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #6

Atheism is one of the most interesting religions - it is full of contradictions. bananas Jan 2015 #12

Atheism is not a religion. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #14

Well duh. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #60

Where's Pastafarism? Archae Jan 2015 #7

No idea. Lot of "what is that?" in the graphic. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #9

Today was Wednesday, did you miss dinner again? bananas Jan 2015 #13

apparently it doesn't count, I tried to use it in the "Prayer Circle" here on DU snooper2 Jan 2015 #47

Here's a link to a map of the 78 countries which have laws against being gay. How do the two maps Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #16

The graph was for informational purpose, not for discussing all of human prejudice. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #19

This is a discussion board and the participants are free to point the discussion any way PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #22

And if it is irrelevsnt to the intent of the OP writer, you can just ignore it....of course you can. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #23

I get it. Any reply beyond "interesting" is a diversion to your discussion. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #29

What is the intent of the OP? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #35

Info graphic. Information. Without information and facts there is no debate, there is argument. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #36

So the intent was to give information but you are offended that I gave information? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #41

There is a difference between information without comment and comment without information. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #44

Bnw's post #16 provided both information and intelligent commentary. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #55

Is it blasphemy against your OP to discuss the facts? Is there some DU rule that says Fred's Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #28

That is rather unChristian of you...and contradictory of the theology, though I am not a skilled expert Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #30

It is as if you can't read. I'm not a person of religion, although I know more about most religions Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #33

Great link. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #45

Interesting graphic annabanana Jan 2015 #21

If it is on the Internet stirring shit is all but certain. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #25

I see. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #57

It was just an informational graphic annabanana Jan 2015 #63

Organized religion is perhaps the absolute WORST idea of mankind EVER! NT 1bigdude Jan 2015 #42

+1. nt SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalEsto Jan 2015 #49

Glad to see the secular bubble is growing oberliner Jan 2015 #59

Druze are misplaced Telcontar Jan 2015 #64

Real men worship Zeus! yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2015 #65