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137. Is Hillary Perfect ? No, far from it.

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:59 AM

Jan 2015

Is she the most progressive possible candidate, no, once again. But the most progressive Democratic candidates have said they will not run if she runs or they will have to change their registration in order to run as a Democrat.

But she will be different from the Republicans on woman issues, gay rights, helping children and families to survive with an in tact safety net, higher minimum wage, etc. But she will not bring wholesale changes in basic economic relationships which would scare the 40% of moderate third way democratic and independent voters who are necessary to win elections. She is by far the strongest candidate we have at this time, even if it is only to break the glass ceiling and make history as we did in 2008.

But if that is not enough, think of the Supreme Court, which is the only realistic way Citizens United will be overturned, With a more progressive court the 2016 election will effect american history for the next 20 years.

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Please say no to Hillary Clinton in 2016! [View all] WDIM Jan 2015 OP

Didn't you know that EVERYONE is ready for Hillary? winter is coming Jan 2015 #1

she's dodging the xl pipeline. she's a coward roguevalley Jan 2015 #25

Hillary no coward/ She is fighter/ Her and Bill beat the GOP over and over again lewebley3 Jan 2015 #292

that was then, this is now roguevalley Jan 2015 #294

No, I didn't know that. Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #128

Is Hillary Perfect ? No, far from it. QuestionAlways Jan 2015 #137

The vast majority of Dems agree with you. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #189

Most American and Dems agree with Hillary! What is needed is Team work!! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #213

Sounds like a winning plan, lewebley3! SunSeeker Jan 2015 #220

You are right Hillary is the Best candidate! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #206

Hillary has never been a Democrat. obxhead Jan 2015 #242

What Crazy thing to stay!!! Hillary was the Head of Democratic party with Bill lewebley3 Jan 2015 #290

Exactly lark Jan 2015 #228

There is no party registration in Vermont. MNBrewer Jan 2015 #233

HIllary is a menace, a Third Way corporate predator in a Democrat suit. woo me with science Jan 2015 #274

I already said no to her Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #2

For which republican Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #231

False choice. We can run someone else. That's the point. cui bono Jan 2015 #234

It was the choice the poster set up. Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #285

"No" to Hillary; there, I said it. "Yes" to Obama's third term (paging Michele, please pick up the red hotline phone). InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #265

If you think Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #286

YES! Hillary should Run on Obama Record/w Obama support! Howard for DNC lewebley3 Jan 2015 #291

Her friendship with Henry Kissinger makes me not be Cleita Jan 2015 #3

Have said no to Hillary marym625 Jan 2015 #4

It was that craven, immoral vote for me too. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #7

. marym625 Jan 2015 #9

* AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #19

That's new marym625 Jan 2015 #40

* AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #67

Can you share? marym625 Jan 2015 #70

Sure thing. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #132

FABULOUS! marym625 Jan 2015 #135

That's when I said goodbye to her also. And then when Sen. Graham told us that Senators had sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #59

I could live to be 1000 marym625 Jan 2015 #63

Thank you for telling how I feel about that Senate vote. A Simple Game Jan 2015 #219

You're welcome marym625 Jan 2015 #226

Afghanistan was not much better in my opinion. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2015 #239

completely agree. n/t marym625 Jan 2015 #240

They were either ignorant or complicit. Thank you for putting so well. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #256

Thank you, rhett o rick marym625 Jan 2015 #257

Exactly. They really do think we are stupid. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #277

yep. no doubt marym625 Jan 2015 #280

Sorry. marym625 Jan 2015 #91

That sealed the deal for me too. I'm sick of politicians like Hillary who check which way the political wind is blowing before taking a "principled" stand... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #268

So you must really Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #288

So voting Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #287

no. marym625 Jan 2015 #289

Sorry to have lumped Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #295

So who then? yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #5

Not sure yet, but any Dem but Hillary at least gives us a chance things will improve.... peacebird Jan 2015 #8

Whenever anyone says "any dem but Hillary" I chuckle... Agschmid Jan 2015 #83

Talk about "damning with faint praise". n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #92

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #107

the OP is against the Fed hfojvt Jan 2015 #209

Don't know about other progressives, truebluegreen Jan 2015 #244

Why you insulting vampiresquids by comparin em to Wall Streeters? Now you apologize. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #270

Well, so far Romney looks like he intends to run to the left of Clinton. fbc Jan 2015 #12

So what you're saying is, you support Mitt Romney for president? Okay. I know enough about you. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #22

No, I don't think that's what he said. WhiteTara Jan 2015 #32

yeah fbc Jan 2015 #164

If Hillary becomes the nominee , maybe you should switch parties if that's what you think? pkdu Jan 2015 #96

I am disappointed in that comment. It's as if that's the only choice. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #259

Romney is lying to the left of Hillary. Cha Jan 2015 #138

What issues has he staked out that are to the left of HRC? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #166

I know you are being sarcastic but of course he is lying: truebluegreen Jan 2015 #245

Thom Hartmann WDIM Jan 2015 #24

I'm wondering... pacalo Jan 2015 #34

I wrote the OP. WDIM Jan 2015 #46

I apologize. nt pacalo Jan 2015 #54

I like him but Bernie will never be elected president redstateblues Jan 2015 #88

Yeah --- if he runs just watch bullsnarfle Jan 2015 #192

The people who would be freaked out by the label truebluegreen Jan 2015 #246

I'm an avid TH follower for almost 5 years. Amazing genius but doubt he would run for office. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #98

You said you wanted someone from outside the Beltway. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #167

I don't care what she says. I'm not giving upon Warren. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #48

I can't wait for Hillary to make her big announcement that she's throwing her support behind Liz. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #198

No means no. Yavin4 Jan 2015 #223

Ugh. Don't use that phrase about rape so lightly please. n/t cui bono Jan 2015 #235

So what's your point? That we have to settle for H. Clinton-Sachs? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #258

The oligarchy (third way) will pick her and we will get the usual distraction crumbs. L0oniX Jan 2015 #6

"Anyone who is for Hillary is a centrist, not a Democrat." That's a lie. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #17

What you say about FDR is all wrong. Read up on those times before spouting this stuff. RiverLover Jan 2015 #26

I have. Apparently YOU haven't. Ever heard of Huey Pierce Long of Louisiana? He was the loudest BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #36

Rec to read: 'Roosevelt's Purge: How FDR Fought to Change the Democratic Party' RiverLover Jan 2015 #80

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #146

I was referring to PRE-1938. Here's rec reading that's FREE: BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #186

He was also attacked from the right and accused of being a "traitor to his class" dflprincess Jan 2015 #28

FDR was far from a socialist. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #169

I didn't say he was a Socialist dflprincess Jan 2015 #278

Bizarre reimaginethis Jan 2015 #31

Anyone who states that they won't vote for Hillary Clinton no matter what, is the Republican. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #42

...and anyone who votes for $$$ owned politicians is a traitor to the Democrat party. L0oniX Jan 2015 #82

The "Democrat party" OilemFirchen Jan 2015 #102

Ouch. zappaman Jan 2015 #108

No kidding. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #129

+1 Little Star Jan 2015 #160

I didn't know we had our own police dept. I'm a registered "democrat". L0oniX Jan 2015 #188

How nice for you. OilemFirchen Jan 2015 #199

Only Republicans refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party. Be mindful of that. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #183

whatever ...i'm a registered "democrat" L0oniX Jan 2015 #187

Then you should've known, as a registered "Democrat", that it's OFFICIALLY the Democratic Party. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #227

It's good to have hopes dreams and goals. L0oniX Jan 2015 #237

A simple, "Oops! My bad" would've sufficed. Instead, you double down. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #250

I'm glad you are learning all about me. Write a book. L0oniX Jan 2015 #252

"I've clearly stated that should she win the nom, I will vote for you." BeanMusical Jan 2015 #85

Oops. I made the correction. But I'm certain you knew what I meant. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #251

So you think that a person who enacts Republican policy but belongs cui bono Jan 2015 #236

Yes, I'm well aware of your staunch dislike for President Obama, cui. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #249

I don't dislike Obama. I dislike him enacting and pursuing moderate Republican policy. cui bono Jan 2015 #293

Calling someone a Republican when he or she isn't is very bad form. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #170

Anybody could win at this point. WDIM Jan 2015 #37

FDR put some of the cheats on Wall Street in jail. He investigated the rest, publicly denounced JDPriestly Jan 2015 #52

Best post in this thread. MADem Jan 2015 #69

Awww ...hit a nerve huh. L0oniX Jan 2015 #78

So is everyone who that refuses to support Clinton a "left-leaning Indie"? davidpdx Jan 2015 #147

Not only is it a lie.... Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #163

Well Hillary is the GOP's best chance for the white house. zeemike Jan 2015 #58

Those that do the corporate thing are richly rewarded. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #144

I will not vote if she's the nominee. fbc Jan 2015 #10

If she's the nominee and you don't vote, you're actually voting. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #18

False. An uncast ballot is an uncast ballot, and as such, goes to no one. winter is coming Jan 2015 #27

An uncast ballot is acceptance for what everybody else decides. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #38

No, an uncast ballot is a statement that the choice presented is irrelevant to the would-be voter. winter is coming Jan 2015 #57

Nope, it's an acceptance of the outcome, regardless. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #60

What a bizarre thing to say. winter is coming Jan 2015 #76

The only bizarre thing I see is trying to say an uncast ballot is a protest vote. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #81

And the difference would be? RiverLover Jan 2015 #29

Funny, that sounds like what the Nader voters said in 2000 YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #202

Yet another insane, ridiculous post from an emerging Republican reimaginethis Jan 2015 #33

Depends on what state you live in. Agschmid Jan 2015 #86

Yep. xmas74 Jan 2015 #140

Even if you choose not to vote in the presidential race, please show up dflprincess Jan 2015 #30

Yes. SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2015 #111

I concur. I'll write in the name of a real progressive, and hope Hillary loses. fbc Jan 2015 #196

Every Time the Democrats Lose, the Party Moves farther to the Right AndyTiedye Jan 2015 #65

We lost in the latest election. truebluegreen Jan 2015 #247

I suggest you vote for a Democratic write in. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #264

So many 'I hate Hillary' newbies without an idea for an alternate. onehandle Jan 2015 #11

The alternative is to not vote. fbc Jan 2015 #13

I'm certain Rove and the Koch Bros are supportive of your alternative and plans. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #20

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #39

Kucinich stands a better chance of winning the Democratic nomination than Zell Miller. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #47

So commons sense is bizarre to you? Well, what I've written is pretty bizarre to RWers, too, BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #49

Well they win both ways don't they? fbc Jan 2015 #168

Wrong. They only win a little under a Democrat but hugely under a Republican. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #182

Hillary is a Democrat. Those threatening to sit out 2016 are the real DINOs. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #190

I am a Progressive. Or a Liberal. I'm not "take whatever crap the Blue dogs foist on me" fbc Jan 2015 #194

Probably you do. Good luck getting Nader elected President. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #195

Who's "we?" Hillary is pretty popular among Democratic voters YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #204

You think that's gonna work? YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #207

And a couple of high count posters throwing their weight around dismissively. bluedigger Jan 2015 #66

Just be glad you didn't get hit with the Deadly Blue Link List! hatrack Jan 2015 #90

I'm just shocked I wasn't juried. bluedigger Jan 2015 #156

It's not just newbies who don't like Hillary. I didn't see an 'I hate Hillary' in the OP Autumn Jan 2015 #97

It's starting super early. They're desperate for a GOP victory next year. nt ecstatic Jan 2015 #106

AND, So Many "Not So Newbies" Want Someone Else... n/t ChiciB1 Jan 2015 #125

Good catch YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #205

Maybe you are starting to get the point. If you want Jeb, then nominate Clinton-Sachs. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #260

If she is anything like her husband Bill project_bluebook Jan 2015 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author reimaginethis Jan 2015 #44

I will no longer vote for a republican who is a registered Democrat TheProgressive Jan 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Jan 2015 #109

I placed that info in my profile that you are welcomed to view...! TheProgressive Jan 2015 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Jan 2015 #126

First, my profile states 'Northern California' TheProgressive Jan 2015 #131

Yup. Okay. Agschmid Jan 2015 #133

I see no integrity in what you claim you will do. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #153

And integrity is important to you. Clinton switched sides and bowed to King George Bush and rhett o rick Jan 2015 #266

And Elizabeth Warren has already endorsed Hillary Clinton for the presidency. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #271

What? You support her in spite of her lack of integrity because Sen Warren endorsed her? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #273

I supprt her because she is a GOOD LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #276

What is the "extreme left" you hate so much? Tell me what do they want that rhett o rick Jan 2015 #281

No comment. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #282

What does the extreme left want that you don't want? When you disparage the "extreme left" rhett o rick Jan 2015 #283

Again, no comment. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #284

Clinton plans to astound, intimidate with fundraising ‘like nothing you’ve seen’ RiverLover Jan 2015 #16

Oh, boy, that could be the deciding factor. tclambert Jan 2015 #21

What Hillary is doing is fight for the nomination!! Which is a good Idea , if she wants it!! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #208

And the crowd goes "oooooooooo . . . ahhhhhhhhh . . ." InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #272

Its very important to Papa Paul Cryptoad Jan 2015 #23

You Better Believe It. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #41

Nope, I'm backing Hillary. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #35

+1 byronius Jan 2015 #113

If Romney was a woman, he'd vote and act like Hillary BP2 Jan 2015 #43

Hillary started a company who's primary purpose was outsourcing and got rich off of it? onehandle Jan 2015 #45

LOTS of newbies with low post counts hating on SoS Clinton. Republicans must be terrified BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #50

Nailed it. Agschmid Jan 2015 #110

I will be backing Hillary, she has the ability to step in the shoes of being president. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #51

She is going to regret not having a spirited primary season. As it stands now the repukes Purveyor Jan 2015 #53

I think she will have a tough primary. WDIM Jan 2015 #64

No way in hell will I vote for Hillary MissDeeds Jan 2015 #55

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #61

What state do you live in? Agschmid Jan 2015 #74

So will I. 840high Jan 2015 #123

and then your vote will be invalid sabbat hunter Jan 2015 #151

My vote may be discarded if I don't vote for Hillary, but I'll leave with a clear conscience... benz380 Jan 2015 #162

Well, you have the talking points and buzz words Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #171

Thank you for the welcome. benz380 Jan 2015 #176

No way I would vote for anyone..... but Hillary!!! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #210

That's basically voting for the Republican. n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #262

Million times YES to Hillary!!! lobodons Jan 2015 #56

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #71

kick riversedge Jan 2015 #253

"million"?? Is that how many deaths from the IWar she is responsible for? Her and Bush, two peas in rhett o rick Jan 2015 #263

FDR "welcomed their hatred"...think Hillary will ever say this.... RiverLover Jan 2015 #62

Nice FDR quote WDIM Jan 2015 #72

No, never. She's too indebted even if she can still see right from wrong. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #87

There are several things that terrify me about The Inevitability of Hillary. SheilaT Jan 2015 #68

^^ All of this. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #93

I like your post, SheilaT. RiverLover Jan 2015 #100

Thank you for your appreciation. SheilaT Jan 2015 #143

You mean African-Americans might not vote for her when reminded of her racist campaign in 2008? ieoeja Jan 2015 #200

I'll be honest here and admit my ignorance. SheilaT Jan 2015 #230

No to this OP... BklnDem75 Jan 2015 #73

Sounds like someone I'd throw my support behind next year! George II Jan 2015 #75

When/if you find someone let us know. Agschmid Jan 2015 #77

I am voting for Hillary. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #79

I am also voting for Hillary Frances Jan 2015 #94

I think the people of our party will proudly support Hillary if she is nominated. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #95

All you have to do fadedrose Jan 2015 #84

Sounds to me like a lot in DU sunnystarr Jan 2015 #99

Progressives who ran as Progressives in MN won. Voters stayed home in states no progressive ran. RiverLover Jan 2015 #101

Meanwhile, Arkansas had a higher turnout than usual for a mid-term Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #139

When did I say I would not vote for her or anyone else who wins the primaries? fadedrose Jan 2015 #105

Worst post of the week Tommy2Tone Jan 2015 #89

same thing I thought Tommy2Tone SCantiGOP Jan 2015 #216

In 2008 the media said it was going to be Hillary vs Rudy.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #103

" I dont know but there has to be somebody better than Hillary." ecstatic Jan 2015 #104

There will be. fbc Jan 2015 #197

This is an extremely silly post. byronius Jan 2015 #112

The Supreme Court is too important to not vote for a Democrat for POTUS Hawaii Hiker Jan 2015 #114

I think the poster mean say no to Hillary in the primaries. nt Logical Jan 2015 #121

All the more reason to support someone other than Clinton. There are a lot of Americans rhett o rick Jan 2015 #269

Is there anybody else who wants to run? mackerel Jan 2015 #115

There's a reason why Hillary lost the 2008 primary Oilwellian Jan 2015 #117

You are causing us to think, Duval Jan 2015 #118

If you think Hillary is satisfied with the "status quo" you are simply ignorant. BootinUp Jan 2015 #119

I'll say it NO!!!!!! Hillary. 840high Jan 2015 #120

Have NEVER Supported Her, Even Last Time Out... ChiciB1 Jan 2015 #122

I did last time out. Changed my mind. 840high Jan 2015 #127

If you want a Liberal Democrat, elect Hillary Clinton. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #124

+1. And Clinton and Warren are on the same page with most issues. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2015 #130

+1 treestar Jan 2015 #159

maybe you're right. WDIM Jan 2015 #212

I'm saving it for the primaries. This kind of thing is a waste of oxygen at this point DFW Jan 2015 #134

I'm sick of the Clintons and I'd wish they'd go away. BlueStater Jan 2015 #136

We have a government elected by a majorty of those who vote. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #141

If she wins the nomination, I will vote yes this way Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #142

K&R woo me with science Jan 2015 #145

Agreed. rosesaylavee Jan 2015 #148

If I enter the voting booth and the choice is Hillary or Mike Huckabee, Vinca Jan 2015 #149

you mean the election Gore won even with Nader's votes? the one everyone admits was stolen? MisterP Jan 2015 #211

I've been saying no to HRC LWolf Jan 2015 #150

I would prefer sabbat hunter Jan 2015 #152

Spot on sellitman Jan 2015 #155

I hope Hillary runs, and is the Democratic nominee... SidDithers Jan 2015 #154

You can do that Sid, safe in your Canadian citizenship. We Americans don't have that luxury. Autumn Jan 2015 #174

+1 beerandjesus Jan 2015 #177

Okay then -- I hope Hillary runs, and is the Democratic nominee... brooklynite Jan 2015 #221

As an American and not a member of the 1% I hope she does not run, I will not Autumn Jan 2015 #238

I write to the DNC weekly & tell them I will not vote for Clinton or any other corporate tool, CrispyQ Jan 2015 #157

Get out of your bubble. One of the 99 Jan 2015 #158

I will say No to Hillary. bigwillq Jan 2015 #161

OK. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #165

The voters will make the decision in the primaries. MineralMan Jan 2015 #172

I will say yes to the Democratic candidate, whomever he or she might be. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #173

I won't say it is so, but rtracey Jan 2015 #175

Needs... NotHardly Jan 2015 #178

I have never voted for or supported that DINO 1%er. 99Forever Jan 2015 #179

I confess I haven't paid much attention to potential candidates in either party. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #180

Well since you mentioned you don't want a globlism, the president needs to have lots of foreign Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #181

Very Sad Mr Dixon Jan 2015 #184

I sure wish that when someone posts such a laundry list of "negatives" about Hillary Clinton... George II Jan 2015 #185

Hillary does not have many Negatives/Stop Trolling for the GOP lewebley3 Jan 2015 #203

Me? I was addressing the OP, who listed a bunch of so-called "bad" things about Clinton... George II Jan 2015 #224

Opens thread. Looks around. Closes thread. Metric System Jan 2015 #191

It's kinda like the Oscars, or any other award show SmittynMo Jan 2015 #193

I say YES to Hillary!!!!!! Hillary is a fighter for the People lewebley3 Jan 2015 #201

She certainly is. For the RICH people. hifiguy Jan 2015 #215

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #214

"Hillary is part of an old generation..." brooklynite Jan 2015 #217

No, Rather say no to you in 2015 nt aka-chmeee Jan 2015 #218

I would prefer Democrats find a different nominee but......... RationalMan Jan 2015 #222

I'll Vote for Hillery if she's the nominee but Pyrzqxgl Jan 2015 #225

You had me until..... lexington filly Jan 2015 #229

If there's no other choice LiberalLovinLug Jan 2015 #232

IMO, women's rights, gay rights, minimum wage increase..... BeeBee Jan 2015 #243

Definately vote WDIM Jan 2015 #241

Stand With Hillary? Alkene Jan 2015 #248

Hillary stood with Republican when we needed her most. She's a coward LittleBlue Jan 2015 #254

Well put. She is not for the 99%. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #267

she is not getting my vote - period hopemountain Jan 2015 #255

Go ahead call me crazy but I see the 2016 election tartan2 Jan 2015 #261

OK... you're crazy! nt benz380 Jan 2015 #279

+100000 Hilllary is a menace. A corporate predator in a Democrat suit. woo me with science Jan 2015 #275