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Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:30 PM

Jan 2015

If facts and consideration were the rule then emotionality of political choices would be less numerous.
We have a social, economic and political reality now and in the immediate (yeah, long run too) future. Hilary Clinton would be a perfect choice for us, although I fear that being a woman is more to the point of the fear and hate mongering I see directed at her. Misogyny is far stronger in this country than the hate of persons of color or non-European ethnicity. Then there is that little agism sneaking in as well which is always a perfect storm when combined with misogyny.

(As for outside the beltway, I would only have you cast your gaze to Kansas, much of the south and Wisconsin to suggest reconsidering that as any real sort of solution or reality.)

I agree we have many of the needs noted ... living wages, jobs, infrastructure, health care, education, etc. However, none of that will come by dreaming up some mythical creature, even a President needs a people and party to back them and a people and party with the long view instead of the short hop. And, we need action along with all that hope one touts about.

Should she choose to run, I will be working for her, donating my hard earned cash (again) and voting for her. Some research will demonstrate that as a Representative of NY and Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton got results... and we have real need for that as we go towards our future.

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Please say no to Hillary Clinton in 2016! [View all] WDIM Jan 2015 OP

Didn't you know that EVERYONE is ready for Hillary? winter is coming Jan 2015 #1

she's dodging the xl pipeline. she's a coward roguevalley Jan 2015 #25

Hillary no coward/ She is fighter/ Her and Bill beat the GOP over and over again lewebley3 Jan 2015 #292

that was then, this is now roguevalley Jan 2015 #294

No, I didn't know that. Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #128

Is Hillary Perfect ? No, far from it. QuestionAlways Jan 2015 #137

The vast majority of Dems agree with you. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #189

Most American and Dems agree with Hillary! What is needed is Team work!! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #213

Sounds like a winning plan, lewebley3! SunSeeker Jan 2015 #220

You are right Hillary is the Best candidate! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #206

Hillary has never been a Democrat. obxhead Jan 2015 #242

What Crazy thing to stay!!! Hillary was the Head of Democratic party with Bill lewebley3 Jan 2015 #290

Exactly lark Jan 2015 #228

There is no party registration in Vermont. MNBrewer Jan 2015 #233

HIllary is a menace, a Third Way corporate predator in a Democrat suit. woo me with science Jan 2015 #274

I already said no to her Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #2

For which republican Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #231

False choice. We can run someone else. That's the point. cui bono Jan 2015 #234

It was the choice the poster set up. Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #285

"No" to Hillary; there, I said it. "Yes" to Obama's third term (paging Michele, please pick up the red hotline phone). InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #265

If you think Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #286

YES! Hillary should Run on Obama Record/w Obama support! Howard for DNC lewebley3 Jan 2015 #291

Her friendship with Henry Kissinger makes me not be Cleita Jan 2015 #3

Have said no to Hillary marym625 Jan 2015 #4

It was that craven, immoral vote for me too. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #7

. marym625 Jan 2015 #9

* AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #19

That's new marym625 Jan 2015 #40

* AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #67

Can you share? marym625 Jan 2015 #70

Sure thing. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #132

FABULOUS! marym625 Jan 2015 #135

That's when I said goodbye to her also. And then when Sen. Graham told us that Senators had sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #59

I could live to be 1000 marym625 Jan 2015 #63

Thank you for telling how I feel about that Senate vote. A Simple Game Jan 2015 #219

You're welcome marym625 Jan 2015 #226

Afghanistan was not much better in my opinion. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2015 #239

completely agree. n/t marym625 Jan 2015 #240

They were either ignorant or complicit. Thank you for putting so well. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #256

Thank you, rhett o rick marym625 Jan 2015 #257

Exactly. They really do think we are stupid. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #277

yep. no doubt marym625 Jan 2015 #280

Sorry. marym625 Jan 2015 #91

That sealed the deal for me too. I'm sick of politicians like Hillary who check which way the political wind is blowing before taking a "principled" stand... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #268

So you must really Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #288

So voting Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #287

no. marym625 Jan 2015 #289

Sorry to have lumped Jakes Progress Jan 2015 #295

So who then? yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #5

Not sure yet, but any Dem but Hillary at least gives us a chance things will improve.... peacebird Jan 2015 #8

Whenever anyone says "any dem but Hillary" I chuckle... Agschmid Jan 2015 #83

Talk about "damning with faint praise". n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #92

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #107

the OP is against the Fed hfojvt Jan 2015 #209

Don't know about other progressives, truebluegreen Jan 2015 #244

Why you insulting vampiresquids by comparin em to Wall Streeters? Now you apologize. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #270

Well, so far Romney looks like he intends to run to the left of Clinton. fbc Jan 2015 #12

So what you're saying is, you support Mitt Romney for president? Okay. I know enough about you. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #22

No, I don't think that's what he said. WhiteTara Jan 2015 #32

yeah fbc Jan 2015 #164

If Hillary becomes the nominee , maybe you should switch parties if that's what you think? pkdu Jan 2015 #96

I am disappointed in that comment. It's as if that's the only choice. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #259

Romney is lying to the left of Hillary. Cha Jan 2015 #138

What issues has he staked out that are to the left of HRC? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #166

I know you are being sarcastic but of course he is lying: truebluegreen Jan 2015 #245

Thom Hartmann WDIM Jan 2015 #24

I'm wondering... pacalo Jan 2015 #34

I wrote the OP. WDIM Jan 2015 #46

I apologize. nt pacalo Jan 2015 #54

I like him but Bernie will never be elected president redstateblues Jan 2015 #88

Yeah --- if he runs just watch bullsnarfle Jan 2015 #192

The people who would be freaked out by the label truebluegreen Jan 2015 #246

I'm an avid TH follower for almost 5 years. Amazing genius but doubt he would run for office. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #98

You said you wanted someone from outside the Beltway. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #167

I don't care what she says. I'm not giving upon Warren. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #48

I can't wait for Hillary to make her big announcement that she's throwing her support behind Liz. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #198

No means no. Yavin4 Jan 2015 #223

Ugh. Don't use that phrase about rape so lightly please. n/t cui bono Jan 2015 #235

So what's your point? That we have to settle for H. Clinton-Sachs? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #258

The oligarchy (third way) will pick her and we will get the usual distraction crumbs. L0oniX Jan 2015 #6

"Anyone who is for Hillary is a centrist, not a Democrat." That's a lie. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #17

What you say about FDR is all wrong. Read up on those times before spouting this stuff. RiverLover Jan 2015 #26

I have. Apparently YOU haven't. Ever heard of Huey Pierce Long of Louisiana? He was the loudest BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #36

Rec to read: 'Roosevelt's Purge: How FDR Fought to Change the Democratic Party' RiverLover Jan 2015 #80

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #146

I was referring to PRE-1938. Here's rec reading that's FREE: BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #186

He was also attacked from the right and accused of being a "traitor to his class" dflprincess Jan 2015 #28

FDR was far from a socialist. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #169

I didn't say he was a Socialist dflprincess Jan 2015 #278

Bizarre reimaginethis Jan 2015 #31

Anyone who states that they won't vote for Hillary Clinton no matter what, is the Republican. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #42

...and anyone who votes for $$$ owned politicians is a traitor to the Democrat party. L0oniX Jan 2015 #82

The "Democrat party" OilemFirchen Jan 2015 #102

Ouch. zappaman Jan 2015 #108

No kidding. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #129

+1 Little Star Jan 2015 #160

I didn't know we had our own police dept. I'm a registered "democrat". L0oniX Jan 2015 #188

How nice for you. OilemFirchen Jan 2015 #199

Only Republicans refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party. Be mindful of that. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #183

whatever ...i'm a registered "democrat" L0oniX Jan 2015 #187

Then you should've known, as a registered "Democrat", that it's OFFICIALLY the Democratic Party. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #227

It's good to have hopes dreams and goals. L0oniX Jan 2015 #237

A simple, "Oops! My bad" would've sufficed. Instead, you double down. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #250

I'm glad you are learning all about me. Write a book. L0oniX Jan 2015 #252

"I've clearly stated that should she win the nom, I will vote for you." BeanMusical Jan 2015 #85

Oops. I made the correction. But I'm certain you knew what I meant. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #251

So you think that a person who enacts Republican policy but belongs cui bono Jan 2015 #236

Yes, I'm well aware of your staunch dislike for President Obama, cui. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #249

I don't dislike Obama. I dislike him enacting and pursuing moderate Republican policy. cui bono Jan 2015 #293

Calling someone a Republican when he or she isn't is very bad form. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #170

Anybody could win at this point. WDIM Jan 2015 #37

FDR put some of the cheats on Wall Street in jail. He investigated the rest, publicly denounced JDPriestly Jan 2015 #52

Best post in this thread. MADem Jan 2015 #69

Awww ...hit a nerve huh. L0oniX Jan 2015 #78

So is everyone who that refuses to support Clinton a "left-leaning Indie"? davidpdx Jan 2015 #147

Not only is it a lie.... Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #163

Well Hillary is the GOP's best chance for the white house. zeemike Jan 2015 #58

Those that do the corporate thing are richly rewarded. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #144

I will not vote if she's the nominee. fbc Jan 2015 #10

If she's the nominee and you don't vote, you're actually voting. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #18

False. An uncast ballot is an uncast ballot, and as such, goes to no one. winter is coming Jan 2015 #27

An uncast ballot is acceptance for what everybody else decides. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #38

No, an uncast ballot is a statement that the choice presented is irrelevant to the would-be voter. winter is coming Jan 2015 #57

Nope, it's an acceptance of the outcome, regardless. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #60

What a bizarre thing to say. winter is coming Jan 2015 #76

The only bizarre thing I see is trying to say an uncast ballot is a protest vote. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #81

And the difference would be? RiverLover Jan 2015 #29

Funny, that sounds like what the Nader voters said in 2000 YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #202

Yet another insane, ridiculous post from an emerging Republican reimaginethis Jan 2015 #33

Depends on what state you live in. Agschmid Jan 2015 #86

Yep. xmas74 Jan 2015 #140

Even if you choose not to vote in the presidential race, please show up dflprincess Jan 2015 #30

Yes. SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2015 #111

I concur. I'll write in the name of a real progressive, and hope Hillary loses. fbc Jan 2015 #196

Every Time the Democrats Lose, the Party Moves farther to the Right AndyTiedye Jan 2015 #65

We lost in the latest election. truebluegreen Jan 2015 #247

I suggest you vote for a Democratic write in. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #264

So many 'I hate Hillary' newbies without an idea for an alternate. onehandle Jan 2015 #11

The alternative is to not vote. fbc Jan 2015 #13

I'm certain Rove and the Koch Bros are supportive of your alternative and plans. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #20

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #39

Kucinich stands a better chance of winning the Democratic nomination than Zell Miller. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #47

So commons sense is bizarre to you? Well, what I've written is pretty bizarre to RWers, too, BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #49

Well they win both ways don't they? fbc Jan 2015 #168

Wrong. They only win a little under a Democrat but hugely under a Republican. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #182

Hillary is a Democrat. Those threatening to sit out 2016 are the real DINOs. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #190

I am a Progressive. Or a Liberal. I'm not "take whatever crap the Blue dogs foist on me" fbc Jan 2015 #194

Probably you do. Good luck getting Nader elected President. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #195

Who's "we?" Hillary is pretty popular among Democratic voters YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #204

You think that's gonna work? YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #207

And a couple of high count posters throwing their weight around dismissively. bluedigger Jan 2015 #66

Just be glad you didn't get hit with the Deadly Blue Link List! hatrack Jan 2015 #90

I'm just shocked I wasn't juried. bluedigger Jan 2015 #156

It's not just newbies who don't like Hillary. I didn't see an 'I hate Hillary' in the OP Autumn Jan 2015 #97

It's starting super early. They're desperate for a GOP victory next year. nt ecstatic Jan 2015 #106

AND, So Many "Not So Newbies" Want Someone Else... n/t ChiciB1 Jan 2015 #125

Good catch YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #205

Maybe you are starting to get the point. If you want Jeb, then nominate Clinton-Sachs. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #260

If she is anything like her husband Bill project_bluebook Jan 2015 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author reimaginethis Jan 2015 #44

I will no longer vote for a republican who is a registered Democrat TheProgressive Jan 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Jan 2015 #109

I placed that info in my profile that you are welcomed to view...! TheProgressive Jan 2015 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Jan 2015 #126

First, my profile states 'Northern California' TheProgressive Jan 2015 #131

Yup. Okay. Agschmid Jan 2015 #133

I see no integrity in what you claim you will do. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #153

And integrity is important to you. Clinton switched sides and bowed to King George Bush and rhett o rick Jan 2015 #266

And Elizabeth Warren has already endorsed Hillary Clinton for the presidency. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #271

What? You support her in spite of her lack of integrity because Sen Warren endorsed her? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #273

I supprt her because she is a GOOD LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #276

What is the "extreme left" you hate so much? Tell me what do they want that rhett o rick Jan 2015 #281

No comment. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #282

What does the extreme left want that you don't want? When you disparage the "extreme left" rhett o rick Jan 2015 #283

Again, no comment. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #284

Clinton plans to astound, intimidate with fundraising ‘like nothing you’ve seen’ RiverLover Jan 2015 #16

Oh, boy, that could be the deciding factor. tclambert Jan 2015 #21

What Hillary is doing is fight for the nomination!! Which is a good Idea , if she wants it!! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #208

And the crowd goes "oooooooooo . . . ahhhhhhhhh . . ." InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #272

Its very important to Papa Paul Cryptoad Jan 2015 #23

You Better Believe It. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #41

Nope, I'm backing Hillary. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #35

+1 byronius Jan 2015 #113

If Romney was a woman, he'd vote and act like Hillary BP2 Jan 2015 #43

Hillary started a company who's primary purpose was outsourcing and got rich off of it? onehandle Jan 2015 #45

LOTS of newbies with low post counts hating on SoS Clinton. Republicans must be terrified BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #50

Nailed it. Agschmid Jan 2015 #110

I will be backing Hillary, she has the ability to step in the shoes of being president. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #51

She is going to regret not having a spirited primary season. As it stands now the repukes Purveyor Jan 2015 #53

I think she will have a tough primary. WDIM Jan 2015 #64

No way in hell will I vote for Hillary MissDeeds Jan 2015 #55

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #61

What state do you live in? Agschmid Jan 2015 #74

So will I. 840high Jan 2015 #123

and then your vote will be invalid sabbat hunter Jan 2015 #151

My vote may be discarded if I don't vote for Hillary, but I'll leave with a clear conscience... benz380 Jan 2015 #162

Well, you have the talking points and buzz words Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #171

Thank you for the welcome. benz380 Jan 2015 #176

No way I would vote for anyone..... but Hillary!!! lewebley3 Jan 2015 #210

That's basically voting for the Republican. n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #262

Million times YES to Hillary!!! lobodons Jan 2015 #56

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #71

kick riversedge Jan 2015 #253

"million"?? Is that how many deaths from the IWar she is responsible for? Her and Bush, two peas in rhett o rick Jan 2015 #263

FDR "welcomed their hatred"...think Hillary will ever say this.... RiverLover Jan 2015 #62

Nice FDR quote WDIM Jan 2015 #72

No, never. She's too indebted even if she can still see right from wrong. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #87

There are several things that terrify me about The Inevitability of Hillary. SheilaT Jan 2015 #68

^^ All of this. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #93

I like your post, SheilaT. RiverLover Jan 2015 #100

Thank you for your appreciation. SheilaT Jan 2015 #143

You mean African-Americans might not vote for her when reminded of her racist campaign in 2008? ieoeja Jan 2015 #200

I'll be honest here and admit my ignorance. SheilaT Jan 2015 #230

No to this OP... BklnDem75 Jan 2015 #73

Sounds like someone I'd throw my support behind next year! George II Jan 2015 #75

When/if you find someone let us know. Agschmid Jan 2015 #77

I am voting for Hillary. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #79

I am also voting for Hillary Frances Jan 2015 #94

I think the people of our party will proudly support Hillary if she is nominated. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #95

All you have to do fadedrose Jan 2015 #84

Sounds to me like a lot in DU sunnystarr Jan 2015 #99

Progressives who ran as Progressives in MN won. Voters stayed home in states no progressive ran. RiverLover Jan 2015 #101

Meanwhile, Arkansas had a higher turnout than usual for a mid-term Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #139

When did I say I would not vote for her or anyone else who wins the primaries? fadedrose Jan 2015 #105

Worst post of the week Tommy2Tone Jan 2015 #89

same thing I thought Tommy2Tone SCantiGOP Jan 2015 #216

In 2008 the media said it was going to be Hillary vs Rudy.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #103

" I dont know but there has to be somebody better than Hillary." ecstatic Jan 2015 #104

There will be. fbc Jan 2015 #197

This is an extremely silly post. byronius Jan 2015 #112

The Supreme Court is too important to not vote for a Democrat for POTUS Hawaii Hiker Jan 2015 #114

I think the poster mean say no to Hillary in the primaries. nt Logical Jan 2015 #121

All the more reason to support someone other than Clinton. There are a lot of Americans rhett o rick Jan 2015 #269

Is there anybody else who wants to run? mackerel Jan 2015 #115

There's a reason why Hillary lost the 2008 primary Oilwellian Jan 2015 #117

You are causing us to think, Duval Jan 2015 #118

If you think Hillary is satisfied with the "status quo" you are simply ignorant. BootinUp Jan 2015 #119

I'll say it NO!!!!!! Hillary. 840high Jan 2015 #120

Have NEVER Supported Her, Even Last Time Out... ChiciB1 Jan 2015 #122

I did last time out. Changed my mind. 840high Jan 2015 #127

If you want a Liberal Democrat, elect Hillary Clinton. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #124

+1. And Clinton and Warren are on the same page with most issues. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2015 #130

+1 treestar Jan 2015 #159

maybe you're right. WDIM Jan 2015 #212

I'm saving it for the primaries. This kind of thing is a waste of oxygen at this point DFW Jan 2015 #134

I'm sick of the Clintons and I'd wish they'd go away. BlueStater Jan 2015 #136

We have a government elected by a majorty of those who vote. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #141

If she wins the nomination, I will vote yes this way Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #142

K&R woo me with science Jan 2015 #145

Agreed. rosesaylavee Jan 2015 #148

If I enter the voting booth and the choice is Hillary or Mike Huckabee, Vinca Jan 2015 #149

you mean the election Gore won even with Nader's votes? the one everyone admits was stolen? MisterP Jan 2015 #211

I've been saying no to HRC LWolf Jan 2015 #150

I would prefer sabbat hunter Jan 2015 #152

Spot on sellitman Jan 2015 #155

I hope Hillary runs, and is the Democratic nominee... SidDithers Jan 2015 #154

You can do that Sid, safe in your Canadian citizenship. We Americans don't have that luxury. Autumn Jan 2015 #174

+1 beerandjesus Jan 2015 #177

Okay then -- I hope Hillary runs, and is the Democratic nominee... brooklynite Jan 2015 #221

As an American and not a member of the 1% I hope she does not run, I will not Autumn Jan 2015 #238

I write to the DNC weekly & tell them I will not vote for Clinton or any other corporate tool, CrispyQ Jan 2015 #157

Get out of your bubble. One of the 99 Jan 2015 #158

I will say No to Hillary. bigwillq Jan 2015 #161

OK. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #165

The voters will make the decision in the primaries. MineralMan Jan 2015 #172

I will say yes to the Democratic candidate, whomever he or she might be. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #173

I won't say it is so, but rtracey Jan 2015 #175

Needs... NotHardly Jan 2015 #178

I have never voted for or supported that DINO 1%er. 99Forever Jan 2015 #179

I confess I haven't paid much attention to potential candidates in either party. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #180

Well since you mentioned you don't want a globlism, the president needs to have lots of foreign Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #181

Very Sad Mr Dixon Jan 2015 #184

I sure wish that when someone posts such a laundry list of "negatives" about Hillary Clinton... George II Jan 2015 #185

Hillary does not have many Negatives/Stop Trolling for the GOP lewebley3 Jan 2015 #203

Me? I was addressing the OP, who listed a bunch of so-called "bad" things about Clinton... George II Jan 2015 #224

Opens thread. Looks around. Closes thread. Metric System Jan 2015 #191

It's kinda like the Oscars, or any other award show SmittynMo Jan 2015 #193

I say YES to Hillary!!!!!! Hillary is a fighter for the People lewebley3 Jan 2015 #201

She certainly is. For the RICH people. hifiguy Jan 2015 #215

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #214

"Hillary is part of an old generation..." brooklynite Jan 2015 #217

No, Rather say no to you in 2015 nt aka-chmeee Jan 2015 #218

I would prefer Democrats find a different nominee but......... RationalMan Jan 2015 #222

I'll Vote for Hillery if she's the nominee but Pyrzqxgl Jan 2015 #225

You had me until..... lexington filly Jan 2015 #229

If there's no other choice LiberalLovinLug Jan 2015 #232

IMO, women's rights, gay rights, minimum wage increase..... BeeBee Jan 2015 #243

Definately vote WDIM Jan 2015 #241

Stand With Hillary? Alkene Jan 2015 #248

Hillary stood with Republican when we needed her most. She's a coward LittleBlue Jan 2015 #254

Well put. She is not for the 99%. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #267

she is not getting my vote - period hopemountain Jan 2015 #255

Go ahead call me crazy but I see the 2016 election tartan2 Jan 2015 #261

OK... you're crazy! nt benz380 Jan 2015 #279

+100000 Hilllary is a menace. A corporate predator in a Democrat suit. woo me with science Jan 2015 #275