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In reply to the discussion: YES!!! -- House & Senate Democrats Introduce 12 Bills Targeted at Campaign Finance Reform [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)37. ...
Why are you convinced that these proposals would have doomed them in '14 but will redeem them in '16?
Remember the make-up of the districts that Democrats had to defend in 2014 ... no progressive legislation was/would have been attractive to Red state voters. Now ... look at the make-up of the districts in play for 2016. They are much more sympathetic to progressive legislation. So, (hopefully, if for no other reason than to get elected/re-elected) Democrats learned from 2014 and will not run from President Obama and Democratic maneuverings.
As before, that's a reasonable argument for why they might do it now, but it's a great argument for why they should have done it six months ago.
See the above.
You're suggesting that the Democrats should always plan to win the next election, and the current election (and legislative cycle) can go to hell.
No ... I am stating strategy is the next move, the present is too late to affect.
The fact that they waited--regardless of your rosy assessment--makes them look like cynical politicians rather than public servants doing the people's work.
I can appreciate that.
Again, I'll believe it when I see it and will admit my error if proven wrong. If Dems don't ride into office on a wave of brilliant non-starter legislation, will you publicly admit that you overestimated the strength of their strategy?
Yes I will ... Bookmark it ... If Democrats run on the (any) progressive legislation introduced in 2015 (including the instant legislation) and lose/fail to gain in 2016 ... I will shout the error(s) of my rosy-eyed ways.
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YES!!! -- House & Senate Democrats Introduce 12 Bills Targeted at Campaign Finance Reform [View all]
KoKo
Jan 2015
OP
How is presenting proposals going nowhere supposed to offset or make for something actually passed?
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#31
The fact they will not pass the GOP Congress has nothing to with what good ideas they are.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#4
They had the ideas all along, this is procedurally a different thing to bring a vote to the Senate floor on a
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#8
Thank you. If folks only knew what a piece of judicial crap CU was , from every angle, not just
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#14
Thanks. Good thing the context was in the same line, can not afford another misunderstanding.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#19
Where were these ideas in 2009 and 2010? Why didn't they secure voting rights then?
Scuba
Jan 2015
#46
Wouldn't that view require dems to have not changed or learned anything since 2009?
HereSince1628
Jan 2015
#47