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1StrongBlackMan

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Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jan 2015
Why are you convinced that these proposals would have doomed them in '14 but will redeem them in '16?


Remember the make-up of the districts that Democrats had to defend in 2014 ... no progressive legislation was/would have been attractive to Red state voters. Now ... look at the make-up of the districts in play for 2016. They are much more sympathetic to progressive legislation. So, (hopefully, if for no other reason than to get elected/re-elected) Democrats learned from 2014 and will not run from President Obama and Democratic maneuverings.

As before, that's a reasonable argument for why they might do it now, but it's a great argument for why they should have done it six months ago.


See the above.

You're suggesting that the Democrats should always plan to win the next election, and the current election (and legislative cycle) can go to hell.


No ... I am stating strategy is the next move, the present is too late to affect.

The fact that they waited--regardless of your rosy assessment--makes them look like cynical politicians rather than public servants doing the people's work.


I can appreciate that.

Again, I'll believe it when I see it and will admit my error if proven wrong. If Dems don't ride into office on a wave of brilliant non-starter legislation, will you publicly admit that you overestimated the strength of their strategy?


Yes I will ... Bookmark it ... If Democrats run on the (any) progressive legislation introduced in 2015 (including the instant legislation) and lose/fail to gain in 2016 ... I will shout the error(s) of my rosy-eyed ways.

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Great to see them doing this now that they control Congress Orrex Jan 2015 #1
So they should just sit on their hands? Not even present the argument? nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #2
They should have presented the argument when they had control of the Senate Orrex Jan 2015 #5
Speaking of strategically ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #12
Bingo. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #22
I expect a bunch of progressive legislation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #23
How is presenting proposals going nowhere supposed to offset or make for something actually passed? TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #31
Okay,High rebuke taken ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #32
There is nothing to refute because it is vapor TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #39
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #40
By logical extension, Democrats will never be able to do anything, ever Orrex Jan 2015 #26
I suppose that made logical sense ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #27
You're not actually making what might be called a point Orrex Jan 2015 #28
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #30
I'll believe it when I see it Orrex Jan 2015 #33
Yes, I have ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #34
Again, we'll see. Orrex Jan 2015 #35
... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #37
I just have one question ... if this is such a GREAT campaign strategy ... brett_jv Jan 2015 #41
All of your questions/concerns have been addressed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #44
totally agree rtracey Jan 2015 #36
Oh yeah. Octafish Jan 2015 #25
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2015 #3
The fact they will not pass the GOP Congress has nothing to with what good ideas they are. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4
Why did they not push these terrific ideas when they held the Senate? Orrex Jan 2015 #7
They had the ideas all along, this is procedurally a different thing to bring a vote to the Senate floor on a Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8
Well, yeah Orrex Jan 2015 #9
Sorry, have to agree to disagree on that, I think it is important. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #10
Ya think, Fred? malthaussen Jan 2015 #15
^^That Orrex Jan 2015 #21
It was also important six months ago Orrex Jan 2015 #20
Fred, there are Citzens Group actions going on out there, too...though. Here: KoKo Jan 2015 #13
Thank you. If folks only knew what a piece of judicial crap CU was , from every angle, not just Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #14
Might want to edit that. malthaussen Jan 2015 #16
Thanks. Good thing the context was in the same line, can not afford another misunderstanding. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #19
K to go along with the R. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #6
Yes! Now, it's OUR turn to act ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #11
now they have the political cover of knowing that they'll never pass NightWatcher Jan 2015 #17
Why do Dems lead better from behind? 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #18
Gotta Kick this for a bit of Democratic SPINE... KoKo Jan 2015 #24
Kabuki theater. Scuba Jan 2015 #29
Yes, but will the shows be popular? Maybe this is a test HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #45
Where were these ideas in 2009 and 2010? Why didn't they secure voting rights then? Scuba Jan 2015 #46
Wouldn't that view require dems to have not changed or learned anything since 2009? HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #47
What a bunch of crap.... Chakaconcarne Jan 2015 #38
They are all great ideas davidpdx Jan 2015 #42
Congress cannot overturn Citizens United davidn3600 Jan 2015 #43
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