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karynnj

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112. This sounds like something written by AIPAC - Where is proof of American support for sanctions

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:13 PM

Jan 2015

that will derail the multi nation diplomatic effort. We know that AIPAC has insured that they have support in Congress. The fact is that the American people are strongly behind a diplomatic agreement with Iran. Not to mention, I wonder how a poll would look if people were asked if they preferred the talks to fail -- something Mossad itself said that new sanctions would do.

I wonder if your "proof" includes asking of possible alternatives to this diplomatic effort working. It is pretty obvious that as people like Senator Murphy has said that if Neatanyahu helps blow up the negotiations, that some countries (like China) will end any sanctions. What will your hero, Netanyahu, want the US to do for him then? I don't need a poll to know that the US does not favor a US military action against Iran. (Israel has apparently ruled out doing it themselves.)

As to your bringing in his not going to France, why not mention that Netanyahu was there AGAINST the wishes of the President of France and that there was never a question of America's solidarity with France. Obama was helping France from day one - and both he and Kerry made statements on that day. The French media was especially touched that Kerry's message was in French. If you really are concerned with our ally France - you should note that they are partner to this effort as well.

I agree with you that no Democrats - or anyone else - would walk out on Netanyahu. It would be incredibly rude and would backfire against them specifically.

As to Clinton, note that Obama himself has not gone on record to attack Netanyahu - and Kerry asked directly, said that Netanyahu is welcome to come - then noted that it was unusual to hear of a visit from the Speakers office. It was not in anyone's interest to publicly attack the PM. Therefore, it is silly to infer anything from HRC saying nothing.

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Every Democrat in Congress Should Walk Out if Netanyahu Dares to Undermine President Obama on Iran. [View all] sabrina 1 Jan 2015 OP

I would walk out. n/t. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #1

I wouldn't attend Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #18

Nobody should attend that!!! 2naSalit Jan 2015 #143

I wouldn't attend. Then I will make a speech about what Boner did SummerSnow Jan 2015 #58

This! Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #78

Ding ding we have a winner malaise Jan 2015 #130

Pelosi madamesilverspurs Jan 2015 #152

I like that idea! Use this because Boner has really made a big mistake this time. Just sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #154

Totally agree lsewpershad Jan 2015 #133

He also tried to influence our elections with one Sheldon Adelson, if I recall correctly. nc4bo Jan 2015 #2

Yes, I remember that. Just who does he think he is? I know he was sent packing after that attempt sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #5

How about standing up and Turning there backs on him Like the NYPD awake Jan 2015 #3

That works for me. But I like the idea of the spectacle created and the noise as they all stand up sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #4

I like that :) XD-2050 Jan 2015 #157

No - It would be better if they simply did not go -- this is not a command performance karynnj Jan 2015 #109

no democrat is going to risk appearing to offending Israel. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #6

Why? What makes Israel any different from any other nation who insults the President of the US sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #7

i can't answer any of these questions La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #9

I understand, but this is different. This is a direct slap in the face perpetrated behind the back sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #13

Keep it up Sabrina.. busterbrown Jan 2015 #31

What are they doingt alking Foreign Policy with him. They do not have that authority. SummerSnow Jan 2015 #54

Obama has proven over and over again you can accomplish the same goal without offending. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #14

Excuse me, but exactly how would a Dem walkout of Netanyahu be "offending Israel"? Netanyahu KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #10

and you expect the average person to get the difference in this? La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #25

I do expect "the average person" to get the difference PROVIDED A DEM KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #29

experience. most recently i saw how the health care debate went. i saw how people reacted La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #30

A unanimous Democratic walkout on Netanyahu will do wonders to KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #39

will never happen. obviously we'll find out in a bit who is right about this La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #84

Hence the OP's use of the word 'should' in her OP - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #87

I have plenty of apolitical friends and relatives. It's even easier if they are not political to sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #33

The President of Israel is a ceremonial position. former9thward Jan 2015 #35

Netanyahu is the head of the Likud Party and Israel's Prime Minister. But Rivlin KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #41

So be it. They "elected" him. and apparently adore him. 2banon Jan 2015 #70

exactly. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #97

that's akin to saying that insulting Obama only insults the democratic party not the united states. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #85

Obama is the head of state; Netanyahu is not. - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #86

and in parlimentary states the official head is a ceremonial position. insulting the prime minister La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #88

I get what you're saying and don't wish to stand upon pedantry, as I fear I may KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #89

the democrats will never do it because the political backlash will be unbearable La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #91

Dems must pick between loyalty to their Prez and Party or loyalty to the leader KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #94

no, in defense of them, they don't. they can pick loyalty to the people who elected them. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #96

I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree on this matter. IMO, if they cannot support President KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #100

No it isn't about personal feelings about Netanyahu and Israel. It is about THIS COUNTRY and getting sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #131

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #8

It's revealing that you would think this is about Israel. Just like bibi. THIS is about THIS country sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #11

Thank you. whathehell Jan 2015 #118

I sort of hope the Dems oldandhappy Jan 2015 #12

And since no Democratics were notified they are under no protocol obligation. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #15

good thot! thanks. oldandhappy Jan 2015 #16

I agree, I think this will be cancelled. No way can an insult to the President be allowed to stand. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #20

My understanding is the Jewish vote is solidly Democratic, so what is the benefit to Bibi or Boehner Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #22

For Boehner, two things, the Right WANTS to go to war with Iran, they always have. AND he sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #24

Two things. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #73

Why is the obvious interference of religious ideology influencing government policy not an outrage Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #81

the Jewish vote really isn't going anywhere tishaLA Jan 2015 #111

Well then Dems have nothing to lose by doing the right thing. The Jewish vote is miniscule sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #132

The Jewish population is overwhelmingly Democrat, but AIPAC coordinates many karynnj Jan 2015 #110

So the root of this evil secret plan was just what it ever is...money? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #113

Campaign contributions - a bigger problem all the time karynnj Jan 2015 #114

Citizen's United must die, yet another fucking tentacle reaching out and strangling democracy. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #115

Wealthy and politically active Jews can still vote Democratic, branford Jan 2015 #116

So, you are not just on a first name basis, but call Netanyahu by a nickname. karynnj Jan 2015 #119

I, too, am a professional NYC Jew, active in both Jewish organizations and the Democratic Party. branford Jan 2015 #124

In every post here, I say that there should not be a walk out - I said it would be rude karynnj Jan 2015 #126

The OP suggested a walk-out or boycott, branford Jan 2015 #127

Why would you believe the sleazy Menendez comment? karynnj Jan 2015 #148

Netanyahu is a War Criminal . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #139

Sorry, the dispute is NOT just between Obama and Netanyahu. Five of the countries that have worked sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #155

Just like any stereotyped group, there are lots of people with Jewish backgrounds erronis Jan 2015 #128

And both are Right Wingers. Why is it that the Right just cannot resist trying to bully people? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #17

Yes, I would walk out, because while I support Israel and Palestinians both, closeupready Jan 2015 #19

Piss on Israel OldRedneck Jan 2015 #21

Israel needs a new Representative. Netanyahu is doing more harm to Israel than any enemy could do. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #23

Nectarine yahoo invites Netanyahu Blue Owl Jan 2015 #26

Nectarine yahoo invites Nut N Yahoo. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #27

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2015 #28

Time To Cut Off Israel's Subsidy StevePaulson Jan 2015 #32

War Means Big $$$ For MIC StevePaulson Jan 2015 #34

I know that. And the only reason why that is the case is because our Reps won't stand up sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #37

Dems Are Pussies StevePaulson Jan 2015 #36

Omg, I hope you are wrong! They may need a little help from us. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #38

Just when I think they've reached supreme asshole status AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #40

I'll be calling my Rep, Maxine Waters, tomorrow to insist she do just that. I'll also be asking KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #42

I know it's a long shot, but they would to it if it was anyone else. I just don't sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #48

Just called her D.C. office and was told by the staffer who answered the phone that he KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #56

I hope their phones are ringing off the hook before the end of the day. My Rep is a Repub sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #61

Any Republican on the Libertarian side should be equally outraged over this KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #63

Yes, I'm thinking they too should be hearing from the public. We've always focused on Dems sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #65

Mossad is not amused, either.. "Israeli Mossad Goes Rogue, Warns U.S. on Iran Sanctions" Cha Jan 2015 #43

That's good to know. So Boehner made a fool of himself again. President Obama is sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #49

No way will this happen Midnight Writer Jan 2015 #44

Will never happen... zentrum Jan 2015 #45

You mean the Congress that gave Netanyahu 29 bipartisan standing ovations branford Jan 2015 #46

But this time the WH has taken a stand. The last time I remember that happening was when Bush sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #53

I think your biggest problem is the issue is Iran sanctions more than Bibi. branford Jan 2015 #108

This sounds like something written by AIPAC - Where is proof of American support for sanctions karynnj Jan 2015 #112

well when it comes to Iran sanctions and Dems there is this azurnoir Jan 2015 #158

Actually we just learned that Dems are rallying around the President due to the storm of backlash sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #135

You keep on claiming to speak for the American people. You do not. branford Jan 2015 #141

I am not speaking for the American people, apparently they have been speaking for themselves sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #142

Christians or Christian Evangelicals (but of many demoninations) JonLP24 Jan 2015 #67

Not gonna happen though Cali_Democrat Jan 2015 #47

Agree! but, not likely to happen...because of the money. KoKo Jan 2015 #50

He will right along with Boner and his cohorts SummerSnow Jan 2015 #51

Stenny Hoyer is unlikely to lead the rush to the exits. Nor is Menendez. leveymg Jan 2015 #52

I know I'm naive, but I'm surprised Netanyahu accepted! Lifelong Protester Jan 2015 #55

You must have missed when he elbowed his way to the front in Solidarity March in France.... KoKo Jan 2015 #59

It shouldn't surprise anyone who has followed Netanyahu's career. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #72

He would do ann--- Jan 2015 #102

What a horrible little creature Yahoo is. I wonder LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #57

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #60

I just hope the US makes the right decisions JonLP24 Jan 2015 #62

i am even thinking drray23 Jan 2015 #64

Well, the WH has stated they will not meet with him. So that is a change in policy towards sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #75

Agree, this should not be tolerated. MoonRiver Jan 2015 #66

It would be great if someone azmom Jan 2015 #68

AIPAC is too powerful. Few Democrats will fail to do their bidding. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #69

I don't know. Things have changed slightly towards Bibi. The WH is taking a stand against him, a sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #76

They should not attend. Tatiana Jan 2015 #71

I agree Sabrina, but they won't unfortunately. 2banon Jan 2015 #74

Won't happen. Too many of them receive money from AIPAC. Better to not attend. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #77

That might be the best thing to do. While the WH refuses to meet with him. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #79

Let's get those e-mail and phone call to our reps moving. Make the House a "no-go" zone for Dems on kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #106

Ah the irony. Boehner also invited the Pope to address Congress, DUers argued he has a right to do Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #80

Is the Pope pushing this country into war with Iran? Is the President being undermined by sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #82

So you support one right wing bigoted head of State addressing Congress at Boehners invitation Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #93

I asked you a few questions which you have chosen not to answer. That's your choice. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #95

Like, I talk about the Pope's anti woman policies right in this thread, but because I'm gay you Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #101

You informed me of the Pope's possible visit. And maybe because I am sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #104

Um, again, Is the pope pushing for a war? whathehell Jan 2015 #120

Wow, what a weak and pathetically false comparison. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #117

Thank you. whathehell Jan 2015 #121

The Pope OWNS your head DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #123

Do a NYPD act. Turn their backs. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #83

Will Ayatollah Ali Khamenei be speaking before or after Netanyahu? JEB Jan 2015 #90

Mmm, how about Dems invite him? I wonder, what would Republicans do if they did? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #92

Khamenei quotes.... Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #99

Has he had anything to say about Women? I have a feeling he has. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #103

When Bibi gives up his nukes, then perhaps JEB Jan 2015 #160

They can't SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #163

Every member should walk out. Octafish Jan 2015 #98

WRONG!!! NO Democratic politician of any office should even attend this mad-dog and pony show. Bad Granny Jan 2015 #105

Good thought... GummyBearz Jan 2015 #107

I would walk out, lark Jan 2015 #122

Menedez has already said he supports this and 'thinks the President is wrong'. Schultz hasn't sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #129

No one HAS to attend this charade.. annabanana Jan 2015 #125

Every single democrat shold walk out or workinclasszero Jan 2015 #134

Yes, and I'm beginning to think it could happen. Just saw news that Dems are gaining courage from sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #136

I used to just disagree with republicans workinclasszero Jan 2015 #138

Absolutely agree with you. The hypocrisy is stunning, I need to do a search on where these sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #140

And they should throw their pocket change at him as they leave . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #137

It's a darn good thing the United States of America has never tried such shenanigans in other WinkyDink Jan 2015 #144

Oh yeah! Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #145

LOL and lose the humbled_opinion Jan 2015 #146

And what makes you think that Democratic Jews support this? Apparently they don't. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #149

Sometimes-- yellowwoodII Jan 2015 #151

Yes I agree humbled_opinion Jan 2015 #162

Any partisan who uses a foreign power for political gain should be vilified I hate liars Jan 2015 #147

I know it seems futile yellowwoodII Jan 2015 #150

I did think it was futile at first, but if you read the link in the Update in the OP, it seems Dems sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #153

I totally agree! WALK OUT!!! gopiscrap Jan 2015 #156

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I say just stop defending Israel at the UN hollowdweller Jan 2015 #161