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FormerOstrich

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94. I think not.....

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:55 PM

Jan 2015

American (IT) workers don't fear competition but would like a level playing field.

It isn't a "foreigner" (implication of racism) issue. It's about the big boys manipulating things...

Such as "gentlemen agreements" to not recruit.....http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-apple-google-settlement-idUSBREA3N1Y120140424

Or IT firms that won't hire American workers.....http://www.computerworld.com/article/2692372/former-infosys-recruiter-says-he-was-told-not-to-hire-us-workers.html

The IT firms which employ mostly if not exclusively H1B visas negotiate with companies for filling their "contract" work. There are very few full time IT employes anymore. The jobs are created as short-term to hire contracts. US workers can't even get an interview.

American workers which aren't represented as well in the IT firms are frozen out.

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Anti-H-1B senator (R) to head immigration panel, says tech worker shortage is a 'hoax' [View all] Newsjock Jan 2015 OP

well that is good news to my pre-retirement younger friends. hollysmom Jan 2015 #1

Should be, imo, elleng Jan 2015 #2

Elleng, we are already providing suitable education to fill these needs. dballance Jan 2015 #55

Yes, that was part of my point, elleng Jan 2015 #57

Here here GummyBearz Jan 2015 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #46

LOL. this is satire, right? KG Jan 2015 #48

Here is the issue. dilby Jan 2015 #3

Your company should train its employees to do the work your company needs. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #4

If we made gromets that took a day to learn then yes you would be correct. dilby Jan 2015 #6

Why do you think that studnets in other countries are learning these special skills while ours JDPriestly Jan 2015 #7

Trust me, American workers are cheaper dilby Jan 2015 #9

reel to reel and tape decks. uh-huh, sure. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #15

I know. Reel to reel? Pull the other one n/t kcr Jan 2015 #28

And what's the problem with learning reel to reel? seabeckind Jan 2015 #43

the problem is that someone has an interest in pushing the myth that american workers are ND-Dem Jan 2015 #47

Golly, I wonder if underpaying your American workers jeff47 Jan 2015 #53

What recruitment problems? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #77

It must have taken a lot of effort to misread it that badly. jeff47 Jan 2015 #82

Sorry but people CAN be trained cap Jan 2015 #39

the poster a/o his company obviously have an interest in hiring cheap labor and pushing down ND-Dem Jan 2015 #49

I came back to the US in 1980, read a manual and could do amazing things on a computer in my JDPriestly Jan 2015 #64

IT is a collection of niches. Xithras Jan 2015 #13

Your company should have hired an American, had him work on a contract for a specific length JDPriestly Jan 2015 #16

another person/company with an interest in promoting the import of cheap labor. don't expect ND-Dem Jan 2015 #50

We advertised the position for SEVEN MONTHS without a single qualified American applicant. Xithras Jan 2015 #58

What I am wondering lancer78 Jan 2015 #59

Where did you advertise it? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #63

That, I don't know. Xithras Jan 2015 #70

So we get to the real problem which is that we have an utterly disorganized economy. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #73

On purpose. They want to treat employees as throw-away parts. pnwmom Jan 2015 #78

Why didn't you re-advertise with a higher salary? pnwmom Jan 2015 #76

The obvious response is "why don't you give more of your money away?" Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #79

So employing Americans at market-based salaries is giving money away. pnwmom Jan 2015 #84

No, employing Americans at non-market-based salaries is giving money away. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #85

It isn't market based when you encourage the employers to hire pnwmom Jan 2015 #86

Blame capitalism and free trade. Xithras Jan 2015 #87

That is a more honest answer One_Life_To_Give Jan 2015 #89

You see a problem but... 4Q2u2 Jan 2015 #26

I have to take issue with this seabeckind Jan 2015 #36

That's something we really debated about. Xithras Jan 2015 #65

Someone is blowing smoke... FormerOstrich Jan 2015 #40

ASM mastery was only one of the requirements. Xithras Jan 2015 #60

When Oil Rig Eng's avg 175K you offer only 165k and in one of the highest cost of living places? One_Life_To_Give Jan 2015 #45

Do the math again. Xithras Jan 2015 #61

So pay more. jeff47 Jan 2015 #54

If that were true in general then IT salaries would be going up as a result of the shortage. pnwmom Jan 2015 #74

So train these tech people in the specific areas you need. That's how it always pnwmom Jan 2015 #5

It's not how it works at all. dilby Jan 2015 #8

Yeah, but asking someone who developed one iPhone app to develop another one pnwmom Jan 2015 #11

Actually, in your example it is how it works. Lancero Jan 2015 #41

But your Spanish teacher already has part of the needed skillset Retrograde Jan 2015 #67

Has the company gone to the colleges to tell them about this? treestar Jan 2015 #32

Why isn't this receiving DU recs? Read the comments at the article. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #10

Thanks. K & R. pnwmom Jan 2015 #12

good for them; there are some honest republicans. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #14

Broken clock seabeckind Jan 2015 #38

It's always the darkest just before the light. Where ever you go there you are. It just goes to ... L0oniX Jan 2015 #93

Im a actually pleased to hear this roaminronin Jan 2015 #17

K&R. He is correct. woo me with science Jan 2015 #18

But he is cheapening the word "hoax" for future GOP talking points... Orsino Jan 2015 #71

"IT worker shortage" has always been a blatant lie Man from Pickens Jan 2015 #19

I wish Hillary would take such a stand. Scuba Jan 2015 #20

Take our 'allies' where we can get them but these two guys are crazy on almost every other issue. pampango Jan 2015 #21

What do issues like abortion and immigration have to do with these visas? TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #24

My point was these guys are crazy. Immigration is related to these visas but not the other issues. pampango Jan 2015 #27

Anti-immigration + H-1B is consistent. joshcryer Jan 2015 #52

So what does any of that have to do with these visas? No shit they are crazy TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #62

Whether or not there is a shortage is debatable treestar Jan 2015 #33

Actually, no it isn't debatable. jeff47 Jan 2015 #56

That's an argument, at least treestar Jan 2015 #75

Yes. Supply and demand does not only apply to goods. jeff47 Jan 2015 #80

Why would the salaries simply go up? treestar Jan 2015 #90

Why would the price of oil simply go up? jeff47 Jan 2015 #92

I think not..... FormerOstrich Jan 2015 #94

If there was such a shortage, IronLionZion Jan 2015 #22

There has never been a shortage. FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #23

He is right. There are plenty of tech workers who could be hired if companies accepted to train them Mass Jan 2015 #25

It's always been a hoax abelenkpe Jan 2015 #29

Good. n2doc Jan 2015 #30

Worked for a company once where all of the programers were on H-1B visas. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #31

Why isn't this a Democratic position? hootinholler Jan 2015 #34

Did Grassley and Sessions not receive their checks? Orsino Jan 2015 #35

Even a nutty, insane, right wing, batshit crazy, broken clock is right twice a day. nt GoneFishin Jan 2015 #37

good news. magical thyme Jan 2015 #42

Actually this is great because the 'shortage' is a hoax by corps on point Jan 2015 #44

The hoax extends beyond the realm of technology workers. Throd Jan 2015 #51

New H-1B bill will 'help destroy' U.S. tech workforce OhioChick Jan 2015 #66

I've seen that lie repeated right here on DU Skittles Jan 2015 #68

There IS a shortage of qualified tech workers... Thav Jan 2015 #72

"Workers of the WORLD Unite!" Is still a damned good idea. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #81

Great ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #83

Can't multiple things all be true at the same time? Yavin4 Jan 2015 #88

At the university where I taught between 1984 and 1986, computer science Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2015 #91

Egad, I agree with Grassley and Sessions! AnnieBW Jan 2015 #95