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Faryn Balyncd

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25. Seems a reasonable possibilty:
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:46 AM - Edit history (1)





"If we use an indoor temperature of 80º, we would get a final pressure of 11.0 (10.99) psi. Using a 90º indoor temperature, we get a final pressure of 10.5 psi.

"So, according to NFL reports, either the indoor temperature when the footballs were inflated was around 90ºF, or something else happened after the footballs were inspected."





We are told that quarterbacks are allowed to "condition" and "warm-up" the game balls in many ways, including sanding, scuffing, soaking in water, and that the 12 balls supplied by each team for their use on offense, and the 12 reserve balls supplied by the home team for use by either side, are inspected by the referees 2 hours before kick-off, and held by them until kick-off.

And that 1 of the 11 under-inflated balls was at 10.5# PSI with the other 10 at ??? amount under-inflated.

And that before the end of the first half the Patriots were using the Colt's (or reserve?) balls because the Patriot's balls were not usable.

And that the Patriots were statistical outliers with far fewer fumbles/play than any other team.

And that Brady not only fought to change the rule to allow visiting teams to play with their own balls, but is on record as preferring under-inflated balls, and to extensive interaction with the ball boys, whom he states he congratulates before every game, and who know how he likes his balls.





So, it seems within the realm of possibility that, if a ball conditioning procedure had been adopted by the Patriots which included literally warming up their balls before being presented for inspection 2 hours before kickoff, perhaps to 90-98 degrees (skin temperature and not noticeably hot) (and perhaps even heating for a prolonged period to a higher temperature so as to thoroughly warm the internal air, followed by cooling the surface to skin temperature 98 degrees before inspection 2 hours prior to kickoff) that such a procedure could have resulted in passing inspection at 2 hours before kickoff at 12.5 PSI, and a slightly lower pressure during most games without resorting to needle decompression.

And that perhaps by miscalculation on a cool game day, or some other irregularity in the procedure, on this particular game day in the 50's, there existed the required 40 degree drop in temperature to account for at least 1 ball dropping to 10.5 PSI, even as the Colts balls, not being "conditioned" and literally warmed up in the same fashion, would not have had the same drop in pressure.





Since a procedure such as this would not involve "tampering" with the ball after inspection, one could imaging that Patriot personnel could rationalize such a "conditioning"/warm-up procedure as a legal conditioning/warm-up procedure not violating the "tampering" rule, which apparently is written to specify tampering after inspection, and might claim no knowledge of Gay-Lussac's law, and deny any knowledge of an effect on pressure of such a protocol.

This certainly may not be what happened, but it does offer a possible scenario that fits with many of the known facts, including Brady's preference for lower pressure balls and Belichick's long history of pushing rules to the margins.






The results of the investigation might be interesting.

























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All I can think of is louis-t Jan 2015 #1
NFL has ruled out the temperature as a factor. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #2
They don't believe in physics? trof Jan 2015 #3
They claim that temperature variations... Bad Thoughts Jan 2015 #4
Aha! Now we're parsing. trof Jan 2015 #6
I believe it would have required a 45 degree drop in temperature Bad Thoughts Jan 2015 #8
The temperature was 59 degrees MohRokTah Jan 2015 #5
Yes, but it was raining. Pouring down. trof Jan 2015 #9
It is physically impossible for the balls t deflate by 2 PSI... MohRokTah Jan 2015 #10
The temperature was 50 not 59 at game time. former9thward Jan 2015 #13
Exactly. Barometric pressure changes have an effect too! trof Jan 2015 #15
Using your methodology, I calculated that dumbcat Jan 2015 #18
I agree. former9thward Jan 2015 #19
Joule-Thompson Effect - look it up. jberryhill Jan 2015 #36
Do you actually own a compressor? dumbcat Jan 2015 #43
I guess we need to know what they fill the balls with jberryhill Jan 2015 #44
They fill them with helium so they'll stay in the air longer. randome Jan 2015 #45
Exactly. And that is the crux of the problem dumbcat Jan 2015 #47
There was one article... jberryhill Jan 2015 #48
Of course, one of these would work much quicker: icymist Jan 2015 #20
No question. former9thward Jan 2015 #22
All those fancy calculations do NOT account for the fact that the Colts balls were subject pnwmom Jan 2015 #28
The calculations aren't all that fancy jberryhill Jan 2015 #39
Failure of invalid equilibrium assumptions jberryhill Jan 2015 #38
it's not so much the ambient conditions that are relevant... mike_c Jan 2015 #24
They think the rules of physics apply equally to Colts and Patriots balls. pnwmom Jan 2015 #27
Except the footballs on the other side of the field were and remained properly inflated mythology Jan 2015 #31
Accuweather says based on the temp change the FB's would have deflated by .4 psi not 2 psi Quixote1818 Jan 2015 #7
But the evaporation factor! trof Jan 2015 #11
It was raining, so almost no evaporation was occuring in the moist air Quixote1818 Jan 2015 #50
so balls on one side of field deflate, and those on the other side do not? magic not science on point Jan 2015 #12
Both sides supply the balls they will play with on offence. former9thward Jan 2015 #14
'human intervention'. Ya think? trof Jan 2015 #16
That or God. former9thward Jan 2015 #17
I'm going with God. trof Jan 2015 #21
If there was a simple scientific situation based on storage or testing conditions, pnwmom Jan 2015 #30
Temp was 51 at kickoff. Cali_Democrat Jan 2015 #23
Seems a reasonable possibilty: Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #25
How would that explain the 12th Patriots ball or all 12 Colts balls? pnwmom Jan 2015 #26
It might depend on the internal temperature of the balls before inpection. The temperature drop from Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #32
I read that all 11 balls were at least 2 under, not just one of the balls. pnwmom Jan 2015 #33
There have been conflicting reports: Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #34
If the human intervention took place in the beginning, pnwmom Jan 2015 #35
That's interesting. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #37
when its cold and I go outside olddots Jan 2015 #29
NO! No! No! KMOD Jan 2015 #40
Perhaps the tapering could have been by using heat Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #42
I think DeflateGate is overblown davidpdx Jan 2015 #41
"Look, you don't understand. There was shrinkage." WinkyDink Jan 2015 #46
I was in the pool! I was in the pool! pintobean Jan 2015 #49
;-) WinkyDink Jan 2015 #51
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