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Jim Lane

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6. Is it that hard to respond to what the OP actually said?

Reply to upaloopa (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:54 AM

Jan 2015

Proposition 1: If X happens it will dampen enthusiasm among Democratic-leaning voters and reduce the Democratic turnout.
Proposition 2: If X happens it will upset me and I won't vote.

It's possible for someone to assert Proposition 1 yet not assert Proposition 2. I'm often in that category myself. I can't imagine not voting in a Presidential election, but, even though I'll always show up, I can join in a discussion about factors that may cause other people to stay home.

An obvious example is voter ID laws. If I had to go out and get a special card to vote, sure, I'd do it. I recognize, though, that some people wouldn't, and that such laws tend to hurt Democrats. The OP is making the same kind of argument about TPP.

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If Obama Pushes Dems On TPP It Will Split The Party. And It Will Make GOP Presidency Possible. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Jan 2015 OP

Because we won't vote! If TPP passes a bunch upaloopa Jan 2015 #1

Yup, they are announcing it in advance and trying to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. FSogol Jan 2015 #3

Waffle-making will skyrocket!!... SidDithers Jan 2015 #10

It's up to the party to motivate voters to the polls. If party leader's actions de-motivate .... Scuba Jan 2015 #5

Is it that hard to respond to what the OP actually said? Jim Lane Jan 2015 #6

Before the last election there was no one upaloopa Jan 2015 #8

If passed, when Americans find out how they have been screwed, it will make 2016 a disaster for the Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #2

GOP presidency is likely but not certain either way; TPP is not a big vote-loser. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #4

Reality disagrees with you. randome Jan 2015 #7

Polls show Democrats support TPP and republicans oppose it. pampango Jan 2015 #9

The average voter doesn't know who their Senators are, let alone what is TPP. CK_John Jan 2015 #11

I'm sure that's part of the Third Way plan n/t Oilwellian Jan 2015 #12

I think you are correct. 99Forever Jan 2015 #13

"If you don't give us an arm, the GOP will take a leg" Populist_Prole Jan 2015 #14

It will not split the party. We will just have to work harder to thwart it. I hope we are smarter kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #15

You have the doom and gloom crowd on your side Andy823 Jan 2015 #16