General Discussion

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)

86. Fine, then...IN THE CONTEXT of a speech about birth control

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 10:59 AM

Jan 2015

what aspect of "being" like rabbits OTHER than breeding excessively are you saying he might have meant? Give us some alternative possibilities, please. If you're going to pretend that there are some, but that you just can't think think of them, or that you can't presime to read his mind, please don't weary our ears. That's just disingenuous nonsense, especially for someone who's been harping on "context" for the whole thread, and proves what was obvious to everyone else all along, from the CONTEXT.

Click here to purchase valentine hearts!

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

86 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Pope's "rabbit" comments are coming into context. [View all] Fred Sanders Jan 2015 OP

Sorry Fred. This pope doens't mince words. He didn't say what he was For. The only thing he did Ninga Jan 2015 #1

I think the simple politics of the Church prevent him from being more explicit. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2

Take comfortant then, reading between the lines. I don't happen to hear his words the same as Ninga Jan 2015 #3

I understand, but the change has to come from the bottom in the Phillipines, and from the top. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4

You mean Pope Francis, I assume. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #5

.............. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7

I think about how much better off this planet would have been if the RCC had never existed. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #6

Yes, abstinence is a form of birth control. Not especially effective in the real world, though. merrily Jan 2015 #8

My opinion is that he saw first hand that folks in Phillipines in poverty are having 10 children as Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #9

and they are all catholic children who can give their last pennies to the church nt msongs Jan 2015 #15

You think he saw that vast sea of poverty caused in part by explosive population..and wants more? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17

Didn't at least one of the news stories specifically say birth control was still merrily Jan 2015 #16

I have been to more than one third world country, seeing it is even not believing the abject poverty Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #21

Oh, no, no no.. No, he is 100% AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #10

That is a highly editorialized report that relies on the same misquote. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #24

Ermahgerd, no. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #26

That is apparently not the quote, mine is from a CNN broadcast: Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11

I don't think the CNN version is inconsistent with my post. merrily Jan 2015 #18

"Breed" versus "be" is significant. Adding the rest of the sentence is significant. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #22

How you get, "Use condoms, not only the rhythm method and abstinence" out of those differences merrily Jan 2015 #33

And what was it about rabbits that he was making the analogy from? NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #35

That is a slightly different issue. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #37

I think I found the video, in the middle of the report : Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #36

You do realize he is advocating, unofficially, for NFP, go ahead and google it... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #12

He is not. I know what it is. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13

You are implying that the Pope is advocating for some type of birth control... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #14

I am saying it outright. What was his full statement on "gender theory"? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #19

Here you go... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #34

"Think of the Hitler Youth," the pope said... beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #38

In context it is not what you use to become outraged at all. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #44

"Gay marriage is 'ideological colonization,' says Vatican spokesman" beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #57

Seems kind of generic comments to me, but interpretation is individual. And the statements are Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #58

LOL! Individual interpretation? That's from the fucking VATICAN. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #63

Ditto. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #64

Look, I agree with a lot of your posts on other issues beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #65

He's 100% opposed to all forms of birth control. That same speech was full of anti gay and anti Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #20

It might be, I have no idea, a full transcript of his address to a 6 million folk live audience Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #23

No transript is needed, he is the world's leading anti birth control activist. He and his Church Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #25

My confusion then is why be such a strong advocate for the poor, say that the ideal family size is Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #28

Exactly. It's total BS to try to help poverty and NOT support birth control. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #31

Religion is made of hypocrisy. He's a hypocrite. His views are conflicting, not based in reason Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #32

Wait, are you appealing to LOGIC in defense of a man who represents his invisible friend? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #81

EVERY interpretation, in EVERY language says or is headlined with: PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #29

Yes. True. Today. But look at how chopped up the quote is. Have you seen the video, from the plane? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #30

what if the audio was ah just okay? snooper2 Jan 2015 #42

You would have to ask someone who speaks Italian about that, the video with audio-captions is at Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #43

Oh, it's an argument for birth control, alright... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #27

And when nfp methods fail women are forced to become incubators for the Church. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #39

Yeah, he's a real revolutionary, alright! Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #48

And he drives a Renault !!! beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #60

Well, I've been told "you gotta start SOMEWHERE"... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #66

This thread marks a whole new level of dishonesty about Francis. This shit gets old, folks. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #40

Yeah, it's literally trying to say he is FOR the thing he and the church are vehemently against PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #41

The most telling part is that none of the many people who know better are posting to correct this Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #45

Have you seen the video and the translation? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #46

Stop it Fred. The Church and the Pope are stridently against any form of birth control other than Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #47

To back up what BNW just said... PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #49

Yes, they would rather people die than use profilactics. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #52

I feel exactly the same way. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #54

Why? Does he say something about condoms? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #50

There is no evidence he was pushing abstinence etc., or birth control, to the Phillipino people he Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #51

Logic, Fred. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #53

Oh logic schmogic. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #59

WHY DO YOU HATE ALL CHRISTIANS!? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #79

I have to live by teh evul athIEst creed, Warren. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #84

How does this OP fit in with the one about FoxNews where you were ranting about who is Catholic Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #55

Consistently means agreeing on the facts before launching into the debate, to me. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #56

To me a shred of consistency is required to prevent incoherncy. Something to consider. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #61

You may be confusing consistency with complexity and nuance. You should see some of my other Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #62

This just in: pope says contradictory shit that makes no sense. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #67

Since he did not say "breed" for starters....watch the video at post 36. It is not contradictory if he was Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #68

Did you want a larger straw to grasp onto? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #70

It is a war on stupidity.....you hate the Pope with a burning passion, how many different ways can Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #71

Actually I don't hate the pope. I have praised him when he has done good things, like with Cuba. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #77

I would be Ok with discussing the video and its message if you have watched it. Not demanding Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #80

I note that you made a specific allegation against me and that when I categorically refuted it Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #82

Dishonest is wanting to criticize a statement and refusing to look at it at all. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #69

For controlling birth rate, but against birth control? Orsino Jan 2015 #72

And that was useful in the debate on the subject? You want debate, fine, you want argument and Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #73

Nothing less than real birth control will be useful. n/t Orsino Jan 2015 #74

The man is politically constrained from saying that, more so in Phillipines...he has said things Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #75

Very much so. Orsino Jan 2015 #76

I think he is preparing the battlefield, he has made more enemies within the Church than all the Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #78

I'm so very sick of the misrepresentation of that 'who am I to judge' snippette from people who Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #85

Fine, then...IN THE CONTEXT of a speech about birth control skepticscott Jan 2015 #86