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37. So you agree that Congress has a significant role to play with regard to foreign relations
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jan 2015

I say that based on your apparent agreement that it is not unconstitutional for Congress to enact legislation imposing sanctions on a foreign government even if doing so is contrary to how the president's foreign relations' policy objectives and decisions.

That being the case, its pretty clear you must agree that broad statements about the exercise of authority over foreign relations being the sole provence of the executive branch are wrong.

So that leaves the question of what an individual member of Congress can do. Well, for starters, I don't think that the House and Senate Foreign Relations committees are unconstitutional and I don't think its unconstitutional for those committees to exercise oversight authority with regard to a president's foreign policy. In particular, I don't think its unconstitutional for those committees to hold hearings on sanctions proposals or more generally on a president's foreign relations policies. And I don't think its unconstitutional for the chairman of those committees to unilaterally decide who the witnesses are at such hearings (as is typically the case) and, if he or she so desires invite only one witness who presents only the view of those opposed to the president's position (although I think one-sided hearings are a bad idea as a matter of policy). And if a mere committee chair can lawfully decide to invite a witness to appear at a committee meeting to criticize a president's position on a matter of foreign relations, its pretty obvious that the Speaker of the House can lawfully invite someone to appear before the entire Congress to do the same thing. I don't think its a good idea or good policy, but it certainly isn't a usurpation of constitutional authority.

Let's be clear. I think that it was both constitutional and good policy for Congress to solicit views criticizing Reagan's approach to South Africa, to pass a sanctions bill opposed by Reagan, and to override Reagan's veto. I think it is constitutional for Boehner to invite Netanyahu to speak to Congress regarding a matter of foreign policy (even if Netanyahu is opposed to and critical of the president's position on sanctions and Iran) and I think that if Congress enacts sanctions, they will be constitutional (just as the other sanctions that Congress has enacted against Iran for decades are constitutional). I also strongly believe inviting Netanyahu was obnoxious and a breach of protocol; I think that the enactment of sanctions would be a bad policy and hope that if such sanctions pass, the President carries out his veto threat, not based on any constitutional objection, but on the grounds that its bad policy.

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Keep your head down, you will be attacked here for saying that NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #1
Nope. The word "treason" is nowhere to be found in the article. arcane1 Jan 2015 #14
Anything to put him in prison. We can dream,No? easychoice Jan 2015 #2
Boehner in prison...would that be "Orange Is The New Orange"? n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #31
Maybe the house of Orange Supermax? easychoice Jan 2015 #32
No you CANT if it means defending Obama or attacking the human garbage teaparty con NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #39
I think Boehner should be prosecuted for this. He violated the law, period. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #3
He SHOULD be prosecuted for this. elleng Jan 2015 #4
Fugging enemy of the state malaise Jan 2015 #5
But this is about disrespecting Black man in White house, therefore NO, we wont do NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #40
Yes that is how the birther madness was handled malaise Jan 2015 #41
The patience the AfAm community shows, fucking amazes me...WOW NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #42
It's beyond amazing malaise Jan 2015 #44
Interesting, especially this part which does seem to apply to this invitation: sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #6
And they know it's a breach... Segami Jan 2015 #8
Yes, that they knew and did it anyway. It is spiteful and I hope the backlash teaches both of them sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #12
The hang up is the phrase "without authority if the United States" Telcontar Jan 2015 #7
Vis a vis foreign policy elleng Jan 2015 #18
so was the enactment of sanctions against South Africa onenote Jan 2015 #33
You are comparing an actual act of Congress to the actions of a single member of Congress. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #34
See post 37 onenote Jan 2015 #38
The Constitution says.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #21
Boycott the sitting. lsewpershad Jan 2015 #9
Listening to a speech SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #10
Then let Dems invite Khomeini and let the President and Kerry attend this 'joint session' of sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #13
You know, the Iranian official who would hold that role in their goverment is President Hassan Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #35
there's more going on here than just a speech. it's never just a speech. unblock Jan 2015 #15
The paranoia around this place is simply amazing sometimes n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #16
paranoia? not in the least. this is the way politics is done. unblock Jan 2015 #20
I'm sure they will discuss issues of common interest. Chemisse Jan 2015 #25
It's not just a speech, even people in favor of new sanctions on Iran understand this is wrong. herding cats Jan 2015 #22
Turn the FuckingYahoo's plane back. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #11
Probably wanting our congress to give him more of our tax dollars B Calm Jan 2015 #17
So, what is to be gained?.... Segami Jan 2015 #19
So when the Democrats pushed through sanctions on South Africa over Reagan's veto onenote Jan 2015 #28
The US Congress has the Constitutional power to override a Presidential veto if they have enough Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #36
So you agree that Congress has a significant role to play with regard to foreign relations onenote Jan 2015 #37
The Speaker is not an alternate CinC Telcontar Jan 2015 #29
This is a perfect opportunity for the teabaggers in the house to remove him alfredo Jan 2015 #23
He's also facing a national election two weks later which is also 2naSalit Jan 2015 #24
Exactly! Chemisse Jan 2015 #26
No. onenote Jan 2015 #27
Well, i think we see how the next 18 months are going to go. Calista241 Jan 2015 #30
The Speaker of the House is the only one that extends invitations to speak before a joint session. tammywammy Jan 2015 #43
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