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Ms. Toad

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54. Because she didn't benefit from it

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:52 PM

Jan 2015

(based on the data being cited). I don't know about you, but I have lots of relatives I believe are behaving badly that I don't feel a need to call out publicly. Becoming a politician doesn't change that. They have their lives. I have mine. We choose to live them differently and I am not responsible for their decisions.

This article isn't talking about the government contracts - it is talking solely about farm subsidies - and I am talking solely about using the farm subsidy data from a period of time when she had no connection to it (no decision making authority; no benefit) to prove her hypocrisy or that she is a liar.

As I said, she may well by a hypocrite and a liar - but prove it with data that is applicable to her. Don't pretend data belong to her father at a time she no longer benefited from it, to or her uncle or grandfather proves it.

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LA TIMES: "Sen. Joni Ernst learned to 'live within her means' -- on the taxpayer's dime" [View all] kpete Jan 2015 OP

She learned to live within the taxpayers' means. merrily Jan 2015 #1

White Christian, Republican folks deserve a hand up. olegramps Jan 2015 #19

My question: Why do Democrats and Republicans both pass laws that indulge them? merrily Jan 2015 #24

i doubt you'll get an answer. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #44

As to my second question, I am not entirely sure there is an answer, merrily Jan 2015 #45

System is broken, and now with CU, completely broken NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #51

Somehow, the system doesn't seem quite as broken for job creators or Republicans as for merrily Jan 2015 #52

Intentional design flaw. The system is broken because it's been rigged. bluesbassman Jan 2015 #59

Intentional design flaw AND a bit of DC kabuki. merrily Jan 2015 #63

Oh Munificence Jan 2015 #69

Agreed. But maybe the policy is not US vs. them erronis Jan 2015 #99

I am not at all sure for a few reasons. merrily Jan 2015 #146

Interesting Munificence Jan 2015 #153

I think we are either on the same page or close to it. merrily Jan 2015 #154

Iowa caucus is first. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #122

I can only hope that it can be changed. I doubt I will be around however to see it. olegramps Jan 2015 #114

It's also a prime example of how legislators of both parties will sell us out. merrily Jan 2015 #145

It was the Republican controlled Supreme Court that sold us out. olegramps Jan 2015 #151

We were sold out long before Citizens' United. CU did make it worse but it was, by far, not the merrily Jan 2015 #152

LOL X 1,000! maddiemom Jan 2015 #74

lol so funny - many a truth said in jeste, as Shakespeare wrote. closeupready Jan 2015 #95

She also loved that 'SOCIALIST' Military Pay, just like Alan West did. TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #66

Has she received socialized medicine at the VA or in a health insurance program for vets JDPriestly Jan 2015 #141

Not sure. I'm sure that she (possibly husdand) love their 50% pension, GI Bill, Housing, etc... TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #149

K&R! marym625 Jan 2015 #2

right NewJeffCT Jan 2015 #4

The construction contracts are pretty bad though marym625 Jan 2015 #5

$420,000 worth of work for her family after she was county auditor. Botany Jan 2015 #13

Braley should've brought it up again and again and again. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #18

"She's a grifter" marym625 Jan 2015 #21

Exactly! nt ladyVet Jan 2015 #17

But, her family really really really needed the help NewJeffCT Jan 2015 #3

That sums it up nicely. zeemike Jan 2015 #6

Bingo! marym625 Jan 2015 #8

This was "different." tblue Jan 2015 #10

Precisely. Octafish Jan 2015 #39

The less REAL need, the more they think you deserve... deurbano Jan 2015 #104

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2015 #132

Senator Earnest Grifter kairos12 Jan 2015 #7

She and her husband will probably receive a military pension (which they earned) Frustratedlady Jan 2015 #9

For senators one term, representatives three jmowreader Jan 2015 #115

Another lying, hateful, republican hypocrite tabasco Jan 2015 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author dangin Jan 2015 #12

20B/300M lancer78 Jan 2015 #26

I think Munificence Jan 2015 #121

Farms, corporations, oil companies Iliyah Jan 2015 #14

The question is, why didn't her Democratic opponent bring this up? It's not a secret BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #15

Because this data says nothing about her, personally Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #20

She campaigned on castrating hogs as a girl. That happened FAR earlier. And those contracts, BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #23

You're talking about completely different stuff. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #28

It goes to credibility as an anti-Big-gubmint Republican. It was Braley's due diligence to make it BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #33

+100. and you can pretty well bet braley's team DID know about it. which makes you wonder ND-Dem Jan 2015 #77

The picture being painted for me is one that shows that the Democratic Party nor Braley BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #79

indeed. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #82

Do we know that they didn't bring it up? George II Jan 2015 #103

good question. i haven't see any evidence they did, though i haven't looked too hard. mainly ND-Dem Jan 2015 #107

I fail to see why you keep naming and blaming her democratic opponent. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #78

Well, maybe you should reread my posts on this thread. It'll bring things in context for you. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #80

He is now a private citizen, PotatoChip Jan 2015 #83

I don't care. I broke NO ToS rules. That said, his lackluster desire for Harkin's seat will hurt ALL BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #86

Yeah, I'm sure Braley really wanted to lose. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #91

That what it looks like, yes. This should've been an easy win for him had he pointed out the BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #93

+100. "We just need to move on and forget the past" is the battle-cry of Third Way apologists ND-Dem Jan 2015 #84

Are you implying that I am a Third Way apologist? PotatoChip Jan 2015 #85

To paraphrase, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #88

Don't tell me; I agree. Tell the folks who seem to think it's not fair to talk about it or ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92

Does this guy sound like a Third Way D to you? PotatoChip Jan 2015 #94

I judge politicians by their actions. Not ratings from think tanks that can be skewed to get ND-Dem Jan 2015 #96

What actions of his make you think that he is a Third Way Dem? PotatoChip Jan 2015 #100

I'll jump in here and say that Braley did not put in much effort... Frustratedlady Jan 2015 #120

Thank you for an informed analysis. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #148

Seems to me like a guy who votes with his caucus. merrily Jan 2015 #147

I've read your other posts. I know you agree. :-) BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #105

How does her family benefiting from this marym625 Jan 2015 #25

Because she didn't benefit from it Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #54

Yeah, I'm done marym625 Jan 2015 #58

Read the article - or even just the title Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #110

I don't like coming back after I say I'm done marym625 Jan 2015 #150

she benefited from it. when close relatives who live near one get big money, one benefits from it. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #81

Then go after the real data. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #108

I don't think anyone claimed it proved her family was living off the taxpayer. I think the claim ND-Dem Jan 2015 #135

So if your uncle wins the lottery 5 years from now, Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #137

her first job out of college was a government job, and coinicentally thats when her fathers ND-Dem Jan 2015 #47

And what does that have do do Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #56

It proves that whatever happened in her childhood, it didn't stop her from working in ND-Dem Jan 2015 #61

Again - misleading headline Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #16

I get your points SHRED Jan 2015 #22

That would be a more relevant question. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #29

The bigger issue that she neglects to advocate for cutting government subsidies to farmers BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #27

I'm not saying there aren't issues there - Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #31

Yes, I saw the snopes on this BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #67

I haven't looked at snopes - Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #109

I still think you miss the forest for the trees BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #125

My responses have been entirely to the claim in the OP's article Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #128

You need to re-read the column BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #131

I've read it (and the other similar articles) multiple times. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #133

We are going to have to agree to disagree BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #134

Actually, it's a little more than that marym625 Jan 2015 #30

$2785 is the average over the period of time cited. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #32

Obviously, we disagree. marym625 Jan 2015 #38

I'm not calling you stupid for calling out her hypocrisy. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #46

The fact she calls out people for needing and accepting welfare marym625 Jan 2015 #53

Farm programs are misleading og1 Jan 2015 #36

thank you for handmade34 Jan 2015 #68

As consumers Munificence Jan 2015 #97

thanks, I was gonna say the same thing hfojvt Jan 2015 #37

The data starts in the database they are using in 1995. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #40

The point is that she publicly is against "big government" and people relying on government... George II Jan 2015 #48

But this data doesn't prove it. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #55

Her family didn't get any farm subsidies? She's not against "big government" supporting people? George II Jan 2015 #72

I suspect they did - Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #112

I understand what you're saying and I agree with it. Demit Jan 2015 #75

My point, exactly. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #113

Seriously? Munificence Jan 2015 #117

I checked a few sources - they did use bread bags with their shoes in that area... George II Jan 2015 #124

Um Munificence Jan 2015 #129

Epitomizes typical twisted right wing thinking. They crow that they should not pay taxes because GoneFishin Jan 2015 #34

HER FAMILY MEMBERS COLLECTED $463,000 IN FEDERAL FARM SUBSIDIES FROM 1995 THROUGH 2009. malaise Jan 2015 #35

The swine. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #42

ROFL malaise Jan 2015 #101

When this gets out I'm sure she's going to squeal! George II Jan 2015 #50

DUzy malaise Jan 2015 #102

These people are the ones with the "sense of entitlement". Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #41

Proud to be rec #50!!! Coventina Jan 2015 #43

Now we're at a point where the government will give away everything. AlbertCat Jan 2015 #49

Damn, the price of bread bags must really be high, maybe i need to collect my bread bags Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #57

Bread bags stuffed with gov't ca$h Zambero Jan 2015 #62

Who's squealing now? Zambero Jan 2015 #60

Well, her family is white. Obviously deserving! n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #64

Turns out she didn't know which side her bread was buttered on Blue Owl Jan 2015 #65

I understand the confusion here. It's okay for her to do it, and that's all. chrisa Jan 2015 #70

They really messed up when Duval Jan 2015 #71

I keep thinking of this song from "finian's rainbow"-- "when the idle poor become the idle rich" niyad Jan 2015 #73

They pulled their bootstraps, but they don't tell you how they got the boots BeyondGeography Jan 2015 #76

Image of family/church/community banding together to lift up poor, w/out govt help = Pure Fantasy Beartracks Jan 2015 #87

No wonder she wouldn't talk to the media during the campaign. moondust Jan 2015 #89

AND ben carson! elleng Jan 2015 #90

And how much did she get from filing a mortgage interest deduction??? closeupready Jan 2015 #98

no publikkkklan is an island. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #106

Just because they're farmers doesn't mean they're not grifters. DinahMoeHum Jan 2015 #111

Typical lying Repuke. lark Jan 2015 #116

One thing that is not pure fantasy is the Orphan & Widows Fund through Fraternal Organizations Hestia Jan 2015 #118

The Dem machine in Iowa should have...... wolfie001 Jan 2015 #119

Joni Bloney Phoney is just another sociopathic republiCon.. bleating lies and spewing bread sacks Cha Jan 2015 #123

ITT AngryAmish Jan 2015 #126

She has probably gotten some herself Jim Beard Jan 2015 #127

The whole breadbag story just sounded like bullshit to me LynneSin Jan 2015 #130

Feeding at the trough: for me, but not for thee! blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #136

Why tooeyeten Jan 2015 #138

On the other hand, farm subsidies are a wonderful program that keep farmers on their farms JDPriestly Jan 2015 #139

No offense - but this has already been posted and commented on. nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #140

She's a classic Kochette! Hubert Flottz Jan 2015 #142

"Hey, Joni! put them breadbags on yer feet again. That gubmint man is comin' today, and Zorra Jan 2015 #143

I could easily learn to live within her means, too. nt silvershadow Jan 2015 #144