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36. I personally know probably three dozen muslims (maybe more, if I counted), from all over the world.

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:45 PM

Jan 2015

Trinidad, Guyana, Pakistan, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Morocco, India, Senegal, Turkey, the UK and France.

NONE of them condemns gay people, or women, and ALL of them support the laws as they exist in the countries where they reside. Some of them are gay, some are women.

Do they wish that things would be more regressive? Perhaps so, but they have not told me that. If they did tell me that or if I sensed a fundamentalism about them, I would steer clear.

What this implies (to me and my experience) is that muslims living in the West support democracy. Certainly they support it more than those Americans exhorting to ship out immigrants who object to certain political beliefs.

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In case anyone hasn't seen Pew Reasearch poll [View all] Rhinodawg Jan 2015 OP

With regard to punishment, those percentages are a subset of those who favor making sharia the law. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #1

Thanks Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #5

Why don't you make that clear in the OP? There's an "Edit Post" link below your post progree Jan 2015 #9

Still very horrific numbers.... I'm speechless! n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #42

"Still very horrific numbers" -- yes I certainly agree with that. nm progree Jan 2015 #64

The last couple of hundred years of civilization have passed hifiguy Jan 2015 #61

What do you hope to accomplish with these daily posts? whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #2

Education. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #3

The pattern would suggest persuasion rather than "education" whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #7

Is there something inherently wrong with trying to be persuasive? Silent3 Jan 2015 #15

Review the poster's history whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #18

I suppose I could do that, but in the case of this thread I think it would be beside the point. Silent3 Jan 2015 #22

Thank You. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #25

Amen, whatchamacallit, to everything you've posted in this thread. closeupready Jan 2015 #19

LOL Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #26

Considering you know ZERO muslims, I do think this describes you well. closeupready Jan 2015 #27

I wont say anything snarky...thats not my style. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #35

This is why the "arab spring" in cairo was such a fucking disaster. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #4

I'm betting that a good portion of those 81 percent... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #6

I'll bet with you. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #8

kick Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #10

And what would Christians in this country support? Lex Jan 2015 #11

I suspect it is very low DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #14

I don't know where you have been lately but fasttense Jan 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #44

I have little empathy for fundamentalists whether they be Christians, Jews, Muslims, et cetera.... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #45

I understand your point....but I think the statement that numerous support stoning for adultery VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #53

Eighty three percent of Americans identify as Christians... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #55

Uhoh GummyBearz Jan 2015 #67

I would make a small caveat DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #69

I will try to be diplomatic and truthful DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #12

The problem is, Wahhabism and Salafism ARE the Islamic "reformation." -- oneview Jan 2015 #13

Yep. And it is a fucking horrifying theology/ideology hifiguy Jan 2015 #62

Careful... Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #63

My favorite.. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #16

I don't want to beat up on Islam ... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #17

Look at the methodology. It's nonsense. closeupready Jan 2015 #20

The Politics Of The Middle East was my minor in grad school. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #21

Agree. I know a number of Egyptians, all of whom are more liberal than closeupready Jan 2015 #24

Is the methodology so very broken that it would utterly transform... Silent3 Jan 2015 #23

The methodology is so bad, it makes this exercise pointless. closeupready Jan 2015 #29

So you deny that large numbers of Muslims support crazy things like... Silent3 Jan 2015 #32

I personally know probably three dozen muslims (maybe more, if I counted), from all over the world. closeupready Jan 2015 #36

You're complaining about methodology, but take personal experiences... Silent3 Jan 2015 #47

Personal experience can be misleading DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #49

This reads like bad satire. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #65

Earlier in the thread you told me to "shove it" Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #68

Kind of like the way Fox does polling...like they did in Vermont on radical liberals. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #38

Any proof of that ? Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #71

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I was sad when I had only 4 posts to my screen name, Mr. "Islam is Religion of Peace" closeupready Jan 2015 #30

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You seem like a malicious intruder, yes. closeupready Jan 2015 #33

Yes, I second that. Why they think they are being clever......but the OP will attract them. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #39

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Im worried as well e-cigdub Jan 2015 #41

Thank you. First they came for the Muslims, then they came for Aethiests, and so on and so on. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #58

Actually, first they came for the Jews, and they haven't really yet decided who to come for next. meti57b Jan 2015 #66

Actually, I think they ONLY came for the Jews. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #74

Sure is. alp227 Jan 2015 #59

It's not a threat to the West treestar Jan 2015 #57

I am having a difficult time believing this poll. n/t. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #34

I understand where you are coming from. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #43

And this was AFTER the coup of the elected government. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #37

Imagine a poll showing that 86% of Christians in the US want abortion doctors to be murdered. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #48

In another post a poster argued DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #50

If these numbers are accurate LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #51

Brutal oldandhappy Jan 2015 #52

Religion -- Warping and Damaging Minds for Thousands of Years Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #54

these percentages are limited to those who think sharia should be law of the land Cicada Jan 2015 #56

which is 74% of Eygptians, a fact which is in itself scary (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #60

No reason to be scared... Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #70

And must women always obey their husbands ? Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #72

And western entertainment ? Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #73