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ananda

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7. This is a complicated case.

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:07 AM

Apr 2012

Yes, one of the shooters should be arrested for possession of a firearm after having a previous record for cocaine use, drug trafficking, and use of a deadly weapon.

However, the three boys with Summer Moody were caught in the act of felony burglary; and I presume that the men in charge of the cabin and the area have a right to protect it.

The problem as I see it is that a "warning shot" should miss by a wide margin...

All parties involved .. the shooter and the burglarizing teens .. deserve to face consequences.

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17 year old Summer Moody has died. Her assailant is now known, but still not charged. [View all] pnwmom Apr 2012 OP

Odd, you left out the part where the "teens" were arrested and charged with aggravated burglary... DonP Apr 2012 #1

Wonder if the OP will respond to this reply... snooper2 Apr 2012 #3

I hope not. It does not merit a reply. MattBaggins Apr 2012 #12

no shit frylock Apr 2012 #16

Took the word right out of my mouth. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #184

I did. nt pnwmom Apr 2012 #36

And yet the criminal records of those who shot her and shot at the kids joeybee12 Apr 2012 #4

I didn't think convicted drug felons were allowed to own guns obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #48

That's why the Feds are now investigating. Apparently there are some exceptions, pnwmom Apr 2012 #69

Should have read further -- thanks! obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #76

. Go Vols Apr 2012 #116

That wouldn't affect the Federal reg on this obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #156

Odd that you feel it's ok to protect property over a human life. Swede Apr 2012 #6

If a burglar was in your house what would you do. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #9

Home invasion is a different thing,your life is in danger,not your property. Swede Apr 2012 #14

What if someone came home to a burglary? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #21

Property is not worth it. Swede Apr 2012 #30

Cops take time. The last burglars killed my cat without a thought. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #33

Oh,you're one of those guys with a hardon for shooting someone. Swede Apr 2012 #43

Yeah, that's what it is. Call me when your 16 yo pet is killed. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #57

You don't value human life. That's a real problem DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #62

No. I don't value a burglar's life over my pets. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #66

If you took a human life over the loss of a pet .... kwassa Apr 2012 #113

I would take multiple human lives if it meant saving any of my pets. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #117

Seek help. You're displaying some seriously fucked up values. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #120

Because I value my pets over a life of a burglar? Sorry, your the one with messed up values. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #122

I'm not the one advocating killing multiple people over a pet. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #127

That kind of babble you are spouting is usually followed by "God gave man dominion over the animals" Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #135

Tell it to the judge. I'll leave it at that. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #138

If a dog attacked a burglar, what would you like to see happen? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #140

Tell the cops that. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #165

I agree with you. RebelOne Apr 2012 #148

Thank you for restoring some of my faith in people. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #150

Are you going to shoot them with your cameras? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #119

No, but my office is about 5 minutes from my house. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #121

If you don't want to get shot naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #175

What if it was your kid? Swede Apr 2012 #177

Kids do stupid things naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #178

A bunch of teenagers out drinking break into an empty fishing hut is not stupid? Swede Apr 2012 #180

Yes I agree naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #182

You'd prefer if your neighbor shot at people they didn't know coming out of your house? pnwmom Apr 2012 #70

I'd like to think people can tell the difference. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #75

What your neighbors should have done is call 911, if they saw anything suspicious. pnwmom Apr 2012 #93

That would have been nice. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #106

Tell that to Trayvon's family. <DEEP FUCKING BREATHS> TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #103

They probably would have liked for someone to get involved as well. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #104

Someone did INVOLVE himself. In almost exactly the same manner... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #131

They probably would have liked one of the onlookers to get involved. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #132

keep adding the post-hoc qualifiers until it fits the narrative you're looking for... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #137

So you're saying that they would have not have liked someone not involved in the confrontation to Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #139

What if the angle of impact is exactly right to strangle you with your seatbelt. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #101

Bunch of nonsense. If I come to my elderly parents home and there is a burglary in progress I am Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #102

Family is a long fucking way from a part time neighbour. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #123

"You have NO FUCKING RIGHT WHATSOVEVER to use deadly force in protecting the property of others." Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #124

There was NO BURGLARY IN PROGRESS and the cabin was empty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #128

Where is that from? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #134

Here are a couple of relevant articles. pnwmom Apr 2012 #144

I see where the girl was 15 - 30 feet away, but what about the others? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #146

I haven't seen that. But all the accounts I've read pnwmom Apr 2012 #154

15-30 feet away...... Spoonman Apr 2012 #136

"You have NO FUCKING RIGHT WHATSOVEVER to use deadly force in protecting the property of others." Spoonman Apr 2012 #129

The cabin was under construction and no neighbors or kids were ever at risk pnwmom Apr 2012 #170

OK, so stealing from a house under construction is no longer a crime. Spoonman Apr 2012 #174

Stealing some tools from anywhere shouldn't justify a death sentence. pnwmom Apr 2012 #179

"You have NO FUCKING RIGHT WHATSOVEVER ..." oldhippie Apr 2012 #171

Theft is not a home invasion, and theft is not a capital crime obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #50

It is if you're in my house. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #55

That isn't theft, as you well know obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #60

What would you call it then? Liberation of goods? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #64

It isn't theft, as you well know obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #79

Apparently, you do not have an answer as to what it was. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #86

The shooters weren't at their own home. And nobody was inside the cabin either, not even a pet. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #72

How would anybody know that? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #73

People know whether or not they own a cabin obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #81

Yeah, that was the question. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #84

'twas the only pertinent question. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #111

Sure it was, lol. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #115

If you can do so safely then yes actually. However, funnily enough... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #126

The fishermen never saw the teens inside the house. They were outside of the house pnwmom Apr 2012 #130

I had not heard that. Where is that from? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #133

There are many media accounts. Here are a couple. pnwmom Apr 2012 #145

not everytime SwampG8r Apr 2012 #192

Numerous media reports have said the cabin was empty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #94

No burglar was in these men's houses. They left their own cabin pnwmom Apr 2012 #59

So you were there? Please post the video. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #61

Why do you always take the side of violent gun death? Unhappy childhood? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #67

Why do you always take the side of criminals? Robin Hood fantasies? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #68

Like the convicted drug felon who illegally owned a gun you are supporting? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #87

Who says I'm supporting him? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #90

Yeah you're right. A warning shot NEGATES ALL CASTLE DOCTRINE DEFENCES. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #114

. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #118

maybe she was wearing a hooodie noiretextatique Apr 2012 #91

Innocent until proven guilty? treestar Apr 2012 #100

+1 obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #83

Well, they did fire "warning shots", according to one of their own defense attorneys. nt pnwmom Apr 2012 #74

And that was idiocy. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #77

She was hiding in the bushs when the shooter fired a warning shot hack89 Apr 2012 #11

The shooter CLAIMS he did that MattBaggins Apr 2012 #17

Can you show where SYG has been evoked in this case? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #54

Thankfully it has not in this case MattBaggins Apr 2012 #149

So the shooter fired a warning shot into a bush? First off, warning shots should not be fired. 2nd.. stevenleser Apr 2012 #18

What is ironic is that people who get upset about police shootings often say "why couln't they fire Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #26

yup naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #176

I agree with you that warning shots are never a good idea. hack89 Apr 2012 #29

If you just want to warn someone, chamber a round Recursion Apr 2012 #56

In this case I would have simply let them go. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #58

Exactly obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #88

These men had no business warning anyone. pnwmom Apr 2012 #107

I'm trying to imagine a scenario... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #158

if you're stupid enough to fire a warning shot you fire it in the air ffs.. frylock Apr 2012 #19

Bad idea no matter where it's fired. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #27

No. How do you know where it will come down? hack89 Apr 2012 #32

yeh, the bullet went right into that girl's head.. frylock Apr 2012 #143

Newtonian Physics 101 Recursion Apr 2012 #65

if you're stupid enough to fire a warning shot frylock Apr 2012 #142

A warning shot fired into the bushes? tosh Apr 2012 #22

Firing blindly into the air is an even worse idea hack89 Apr 2012 #34

It was 4 am and pitch dark. The defense attorney of one of the men pnwmom Apr 2012 #63

Sure thing, a "warning shot" shot dead-center to the head -- He was aiming at her is my guess. Hoyt Apr 2012 #98

so do I TorchTheWitch Apr 2012 #163

wtf does that have to do with recklessly discharging a firearm?! frylock Apr 2012 #15

So shooting her was okay? proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #25

What difference does that really make? I said that the campers claim they were pnwmom Apr 2012 #31

Odd that you think any of this merits shooting a kid in the head. Chorophyll Apr 2012 #35

Theft is not a Capital Crime in this country obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #37

Yep. Guilty until proven innocent, I say! And death to all burglars! MH1 Apr 2012 #47

I'm Sure You Are Sorry She Passed HangOnKids Apr 2012 #71

I had placed that poster on Full Ignore without comment for the coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #78

You Are Welcome HangOnKids Apr 2012 #95

Still, shooting her is not justified treestar Apr 2012 #99

She was not armed and was not charged with burglary jpak Apr 2012 #108

Too Many in this country are sick fascisthunter Apr 2012 #147

Our American obsession with property rights take precedent above anything else Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #152

You left out the part where the "concerned citizens'" official story doesn't make Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #153

And for that they deserve to die! Iggo Apr 2012 #166

So, juveniles acting juvenilely absolve the murderers from murder? baldguy Apr 2012 #194

A sad and ugly story on all sides. Brickbat Apr 2012 #2

I'm sure gun culture is praying for no charges against the shooter. Hoyt Apr 2012 #5

First we need to find out if the shooter was even aware of the girl when he fired hack89 Apr 2012 #13

no, we don't need to know that.. frylock Apr 2012 #23

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #38

You're making it worse not better. Why would one fire at all if there is no imminent danger. stevenleser Apr 2012 #24

I agree that the shooter should be charged hack89 Apr 2012 #41

No, you don't obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #39

I agree hack89 Apr 2012 #44

Gotcha obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #52

Negligent homicide and manslaughter don't require intent. pnwmom Apr 2012 #46

Never said it didn't hack89 Apr 2012 #49

Actually, the post was about "gun culture". It was not about the shooters in this case. ieoeja Apr 2012 #151

And felony murder for the friends doesn't require their intent either Recursion Apr 2012 #51

The cabin was empty, and Summer wasn't shot by its owner. pnwmom Apr 2012 #89

Similar to... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #164

There is no evidence she was a look-out or otherwise involved pnwmom Apr 2012 #167

If she was a random hiker tromping through the woods... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #168

I didn't say she was a random hiker. pnwmom Apr 2012 #169

Fleeing the scene is still part of a crime in progress... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #172

That the boys were ever in the cabin IS under contention: no one has claimed that they saw the boys pnwmom Apr 2012 #173

Personally, I'm suspicious of what someone who shot unarmed girl in head says are the facts. Hoyt Apr 2012 #96

That's not true at all. naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #183

This is a complicated case. ananda Apr 2012 #7

You are overstating what the teens did. They thought they were gaining entry to an unused campground stevenleser Apr 2012 #28

So, something that is exactly the definition of "burglary" shouldn't be called "burglary"? Recursion Apr 2012 #42

The shooters first spotted the teens at some distance (15-30 feet) away from the building. pnwmom Apr 2012 #80

For that matter, her friends could be facing felony murder, conceivably (nt) Recursion Apr 2012 #40

Which would be a great injustice, if the actual shooter isn't charged with anything. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #82

No one was caught in the act of felony burglary, or any burglary. pnwmom Apr 2012 #53

Shoot first Turbineguy Apr 2012 #8

Shoot. Claim SYG. No further questions needed. MattBaggins Apr 2012 #20

SHOOT FIRST Spoonman Apr 2012 #125

This is why warning shots are always a bad idea. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #10

Thos was not a home invasion, and theft is not a capital crime in the United States obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #45

Whether the teens actually broke into and burglarized the cabin is still in dispute. pnwmom Apr 2012 #85

Bernie Madoff didn't "physically harm" anyone either! n/t Spoonman Apr 2012 #92

Madoff was shot by a felon to keep him from fleeing? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #97

Of course not, Spoonman Apr 2012 #109

Waiting for the "she deserved it" vigilante apologist crowd jpak Apr 2012 #105

You missed the first response. a la izquierda Apr 2012 #112

RIP Summer Moody Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #110

Aw shit. That's very sad news. polly7 Apr 2012 #141

The DA has just announced that she sees no probable cause for prosecuting the shooter. pnwmom Apr 2012 #155

I think I'm one of the posters you think... Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #157

I've never thought they deliberately tried to shoot her. pnwmom Apr 2012 #160

It might under some circumstances... Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #188

We should definitely expand the situations in which an untrained person can ... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #159

In the boat they fired upon the island Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #161

I agree that it was negligent. But the DA has decided she didn't see probable cause pnwmom Apr 2012 #162

your recitation of the facts omit some key facts. grantcart Apr 2012 #181

Those are not "facts." pnwmom Apr 2012 #185

they are the 'facts' in the link that you sourced grantcart Apr 2012 #187

One group, the ones doing the shooting, has convicted felons as members.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #190

my points have nothing to do with the substance of the case grantcart Apr 2012 #191

Evidently the stories differ.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #193

What a horrible accident....prayers for her family. ileus Apr 2012 #186

Just like in Texas Catherine Vincent Apr 2012 #189