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djean111

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29. I believe 99% of them do not consider themselves public servants, or whatever, any more.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jan 2015

They say whatever they need to, in public, in order to get elected.
They promise whatever they need to, in private, to the people with the money.

The people with the money have engineered things so that their money is necessary, and, as a result, they really are the ones who do the choosing, as far as candidates who are presented to us.

I have read, right here at DU, that of course Hillary should be the candidate because she has the really big money locked up. How fucked up is that? We LET that become reality, we LET that become the accepted reason. We accept that leading in some polls because of name recognition is quite the qualifier for being president, and then we accept that she is PROBABLY better than the GOP guy, and that is all that matters.

Then, of course, we have accepted that, once a politician is elected, they must do the bidding of their big contributors, so that they can get more money for reelection, or so they can land a cushy job when out of office. Their reelection campaign pretty much starts right after they are sworn in. And then, of course, they are told by their respective party leaders how they will be voting, and why any legislation they independently come up with will, of course, be tabled, if it is not what the Money wants.

My 19 year old grandson voted in November. He is more of a reddit guy than a DU guy. But his opinion about all of this is that the United States is now a giant clusterfuck, and we were thinking it would be great to have that sentiment on the big billboard in Times Square.

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Noblesse Oblige? Turbineguy Jan 2015 #1
You think this is just a Rethug thing?? YarnAddict Jan 2015 #2
I don't recall that ever happening. countmyvote4real Jan 2015 #3
Yup. YarnAddict Jan 2015 #7
Pretty lame example bvf Jan 2015 #11
Kind of a very wide definitiion being used. Debate point to you and opponent penalty for misusing a word. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17
That's not a "flip off" by any stretch of the imagination. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #34
Not a debate. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #43
I don't recall that happeneing. ColesCountyDem Jan 2015 #4
Right here YarnAddict Jan 2015 #8
LOL! ColesCountyDem Jan 2015 #12
that is about the farthest fetched reach I have ever seen. rurallib Jan 2015 #15
?? handmade34 Jan 2015 #5
Here you go YarnAddict Jan 2015 #9
Funny how the video never changes? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #19
As we descend more and more IMO into total Idiocracy, some public RKP5637 Jan 2015 #6
Yes, I do remember that which you speak of, bemildred Jan 2015 #10
Regarding Satan - I mean, Cheney... gregcrawford Jan 2015 #13
What examples did Thespian2 Jan 2015 #14
Excellent point! Shemp Howard Jan 2015 #21
It is not really about them, it is about us. zeemike Jan 2015 #25
Yours is an interesting argument. Shemp Howard Jan 2015 #27
There is always a percentage that would have accepted it. zeemike Jan 2015 #30
The reason it is worse is exposure! yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #28
The internet just made it easier. zeemike Jan 2015 #32
I think you are right, but Hollywood has tried to make a movie that does not glorify war but they yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #33
There is a lot more to it than popularity zeemike Jan 2015 #40
I'm saying they are more openly coarse and vulgar now. raccoon Jan 2015 #23
Response to your edit.... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #16
On a related note... malthaussen Jan 2015 #18
So true. And the end of fair and equal criticism by the media also marks the beginning of propaganda. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #20
What I remember: Nixon, Agnew, Anita Bryant, Briggs, handcuffs, George Wallace, firehoses, Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #22
Yeah, I remember too, hate and fear never leave us, except for those brief moments of hope.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #35
The ONLY public figure. My only hero that never let me down is.... alphafemale Jan 2015 #24
Showing your age ... beemer27 Jan 2015 #26
Exactly the point I'm trying to make! raccoon Jan 2015 #41
I believe 99% of them do not consider themselves public servants, or whatever, any more. djean111 Jan 2015 #29
I'm not sure it's necessarily getting worse. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #31
I don't know. If you're going to use the "think of the children!" argument, language is not where I PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #36
I expect that of clergy, not elected officials. I only expect elected officials to not be corrupt stevenleser Jan 2015 #37
Sarah Palin is posterchild for jingoistic faux-patriotic idiocy marmar Jan 2015 #38
We value the individual over community. CrispyQ Jan 2015 #39
It is a shift in public culture - and I show my age in not liking it karynnj Jan 2015 #42
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