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Odd, you left out the part where the "teens" were arrested and charged with aggravated burglary... DonP Apr 2012 #1
Wonder if the OP will respond to this reply... snooper2 Apr 2012 #3
I hope not. It does not merit a reply. MattBaggins Apr 2012 #12
no shit frylock Apr 2012 #16
Took the word right out of my mouth. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #184
I did. nt pnwmom Apr 2012 #36
And yet the criminal records of those who shot her and shot at the kids joeybee12 Apr 2012 #4
I didn't think convicted drug felons were allowed to own guns obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #48
That's why the Feds are now investigating. Apparently there are some exceptions, pnwmom Apr 2012 #69
Should have read further -- thanks! obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #76
. Go Vols Apr 2012 #116
That wouldn't affect the Federal reg on this obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #156
Odd that you feel it's ok to protect property over a human life. Swede Apr 2012 #6
If a burglar was in your house what would you do. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #9
Home invasion is a different thing,your life is in danger,not your property. Swede Apr 2012 #14
What if someone came home to a burglary? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #21
Property is not worth it. Swede Apr 2012 #30
Cops take time. The last burglars killed my cat without a thought. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #33
Oh,you're one of those guys with a hardon for shooting someone. Swede Apr 2012 #43
Yeah, that's what it is. Call me when your 16 yo pet is killed. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #57
You don't value human life. That's a real problem DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #62
No. I don't value a burglar's life over my pets. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #66
If you took a human life over the loss of a pet .... kwassa Apr 2012 #113
I would take multiple human lives if it meant saving any of my pets. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #117
Seek help. You're displaying some seriously fucked up values. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #120
Because I value my pets over a life of a burglar? Sorry, your the one with messed up values. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #122
I'm not the one advocating killing multiple people over a pet. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #127
That kind of babble you are spouting is usually followed by "God gave man dominion over the animals" Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #135
Tell it to the judge. I'll leave it at that. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #138
If a dog attacked a burglar, what would you like to see happen? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #140
Tell the cops that. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #165
I agree with you. RebelOne Apr 2012 #148
Thank you for restoring some of my faith in people. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #150
Are you going to shoot them with your cameras? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #119
No, but my office is about 5 minutes from my house. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #121
If you don't want to get shot naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #175
What if it was your kid? Swede Apr 2012 #177
Kids do stupid things naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #178
A bunch of teenagers out drinking break into an empty fishing hut is not stupid? Swede Apr 2012 #180
Yes I agree naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #182
You'd prefer if your neighbor shot at people they didn't know coming out of your house? pnwmom Apr 2012 #70
I'd like to think people can tell the difference. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #75
What your neighbors should have done is call 911, if they saw anything suspicious. pnwmom Apr 2012 #93
That would have been nice. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #106
Tell that to Trayvon's family. <DEEP FUCKING BREATHS> TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #103
They probably would have liked for someone to get involved as well. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #104
Someone did INVOLVE himself. In almost exactly the same manner... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #131
They probably would have liked one of the onlookers to get involved. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #132
keep adding the post-hoc qualifiers until it fits the narrative you're looking for... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #137
So you're saying that they would have not have liked someone not involved in the confrontation to Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #139
What if the angle of impact is exactly right to strangle you with your seatbelt. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #101
Bunch of nonsense. If I come to my elderly parents home and there is a burglary in progress I am Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #102
Family is a long fucking way from a part time neighbour. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #123
"You have NO FUCKING RIGHT WHATSOVEVER to use deadly force in protecting the property of others." Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #124
There was NO BURGLARY IN PROGRESS and the cabin was empty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #128
Where is that from? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #134
Here are a couple of relevant articles. pnwmom Apr 2012 #144
I see where the girl was 15 - 30 feet away, but what about the others? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #146
I haven't seen that. But all the accounts I've read pnwmom Apr 2012 #154
15-30 feet away...... Spoonman Apr 2012 #136
"You have NO FUCKING RIGHT WHATSOVEVER to use deadly force in protecting the property of others." Spoonman Apr 2012 #129
The cabin was under construction and no neighbors or kids were ever at risk pnwmom Apr 2012 #170
OK, so stealing from a house under construction is no longer a crime. Spoonman Apr 2012 #174
Stealing some tools from anywhere shouldn't justify a death sentence. pnwmom Apr 2012 #179
"You have NO FUCKING RIGHT WHATSOVEVER ..." oldhippie Apr 2012 #171
Theft is not a home invasion, and theft is not a capital crime obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #50
It is if you're in my house. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #55
That isn't theft, as you well know obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #60
What would you call it then? Liberation of goods? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #64
It isn't theft, as you well know obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #79
Apparently, you do not have an answer as to what it was. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #86
The shooters weren't at their own home. And nobody was inside the cabin either, not even a pet. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #72
How would anybody know that? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #73
People know whether or not they own a cabin obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #81
Yeah, that was the question. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #84
'twas the only pertinent question. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #111
Sure it was, lol. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #115
If you can do so safely then yes actually. However, funnily enough... TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #126
The fishermen never saw the teens inside the house. They were outside of the house pnwmom Apr 2012 #130
I had not heard that. Where is that from? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #133
There are many media accounts. Here are a couple. pnwmom Apr 2012 #145
not everytime SwampG8r Apr 2012 #192
Numerous media reports have said the cabin was empty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #94
No burglar was in these men's houses. They left their own cabin pnwmom Apr 2012 #59
So you were there? Please post the video. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #61
Why do you always take the side of violent gun death? Unhappy childhood? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #67
Why do you always take the side of criminals? Robin Hood fantasies? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #68
Like the convicted drug felon who illegally owned a gun you are supporting? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #87
Who says I'm supporting him? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #90
Yeah you're right. A warning shot NEGATES ALL CASTLE DOCTRINE DEFENCES. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #114
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maybe she was wearing a hooodie noiretextatique Apr 2012 #91
Innocent until proven guilty? treestar Apr 2012 #100
+1 obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #83
Well, they did fire "warning shots", according to one of their own defense attorneys. nt pnwmom Apr 2012 #74
And that was idiocy. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #77
She was hiding in the bushs when the shooter fired a warning shot hack89 Apr 2012 #11
The shooter CLAIMS he did that MattBaggins Apr 2012 #17
Can you show where SYG has been evoked in this case? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #54
Thankfully it has not in this case MattBaggins Apr 2012 #149
So the shooter fired a warning shot into a bush? First off, warning shots should not be fired. 2nd.. stevenleser Apr 2012 #18
What is ironic is that people who get upset about police shootings often say "why couln't they fire Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #26
yup naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #176
I agree with you that warning shots are never a good idea. hack89 Apr 2012 #29
If you just want to warn someone, chamber a round Recursion Apr 2012 #56
In this case I would have simply let them go. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #58
Exactly obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #88
These men had no business warning anyone. pnwmom Apr 2012 #107
I'm trying to imagine a scenario... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #158
if you're stupid enough to fire a warning shot you fire it in the air ffs.. frylock Apr 2012 #19
Bad idea no matter where it's fired. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #27
No. How do you know where it will come down? hack89 Apr 2012 #32
yeh, the bullet went right into that girl's head.. frylock Apr 2012 #143
Newtonian Physics 101 Recursion Apr 2012 #65
if you're stupid enough to fire a warning shot frylock Apr 2012 #142
A warning shot fired into the bushes? tosh Apr 2012 #22
Firing blindly into the air is an even worse idea hack89 Apr 2012 #34
It was 4 am and pitch dark. The defense attorney of one of the men pnwmom Apr 2012 #63
Sure thing, a "warning shot" shot dead-center to the head -- He was aiming at her is my guess. Hoyt Apr 2012 #98
so do I TorchTheWitch Apr 2012 #163
wtf does that have to do with recklessly discharging a firearm?! frylock Apr 2012 #15
So shooting her was okay? proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #25
What difference does that really make? I said that the campers claim they were pnwmom Apr 2012 #31
Odd that you think any of this merits shooting a kid in the head. Chorophyll Apr 2012 #35
Theft is not a Capital Crime in this country obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #37
Yep. Guilty until proven innocent, I say! And death to all burglars! MH1 Apr 2012 #47
I'm Sure You Are Sorry She Passed HangOnKids Apr 2012 #71
I had placed that poster on Full Ignore without comment for the coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #78
You Are Welcome HangOnKids Apr 2012 #95
Still, shooting her is not justified treestar Apr 2012 #99
She was not armed and was not charged with burglary jpak Apr 2012 #108
Too Many in this country are sick fascisthunter Apr 2012 #147
Our American obsession with property rights take precedent above anything else Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #152
You left out the part where the "concerned citizens'" official story doesn't make Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #153
And for that they deserve to die! Iggo Apr 2012 #166
So, juveniles acting juvenilely absolve the murderers from murder? baldguy Apr 2012 #194
A sad and ugly story on all sides. Brickbat Apr 2012 #2
I'm sure gun culture is praying for no charges against the shooter. Hoyt Apr 2012 #5
First we need to find out if the shooter was even aware of the girl when he fired hack89 Apr 2012 #13
no, we don't need to know that.. frylock Apr 2012 #23
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #38
You're making it worse not better. Why would one fire at all if there is no imminent danger. stevenleser Apr 2012 #24
I agree that the shooter should be charged hack89 Apr 2012 #41
No, you don't obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #39
I agree hack89 Apr 2012 #44
Gotcha obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #52
Negligent homicide and manslaughter don't require intent. pnwmom Apr 2012 #46
Never said it didn't hack89 Apr 2012 #49
Actually, the post was about "gun culture". It was not about the shooters in this case. ieoeja Apr 2012 #151
And felony murder for the friends doesn't require their intent either Recursion Apr 2012 #51
The cabin was empty, and Summer wasn't shot by its owner. pnwmom Apr 2012 #89
Similar to... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #164
There is no evidence she was a look-out or otherwise involved pnwmom Apr 2012 #167
If she was a random hiker tromping through the woods... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #168
I didn't say she was a random hiker. pnwmom Apr 2012 #169
Fleeing the scene is still part of a crime in progress... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #172
That the boys were ever in the cabin IS under contention: no one has claimed that they saw the boys pnwmom Apr 2012 #173
Personally, I'm suspicious of what someone who shot unarmed girl in head says are the facts. Hoyt Apr 2012 #96
That's not true at all. naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #183
This is a complicated case. ananda Apr 2012 #7
You are overstating what the teens did. They thought they were gaining entry to an unused campground stevenleser Apr 2012 #28
So, something that is exactly the definition of "burglary" shouldn't be called "burglary"? Recursion Apr 2012 #42
The shooters first spotted the teens at some distance (15-30 feet) away from the building. pnwmom Apr 2012 #80
For that matter, her friends could be facing felony murder, conceivably (nt) Recursion Apr 2012 #40
Which would be a great injustice, if the actual shooter isn't charged with anything. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #82
No one was caught in the act of felony burglary, or any burglary. pnwmom Apr 2012 #53
Shoot first Turbineguy Apr 2012 #8
Shoot. Claim SYG. No further questions needed. MattBaggins Apr 2012 #20
SHOOT FIRST Spoonman Apr 2012 #125
This is why warning shots are always a bad idea. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #10
Thos was not a home invasion, and theft is not a capital crime in the United States obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #45
Whether the teens actually broke into and burglarized the cabin is still in dispute. pnwmom Apr 2012 #85
Bernie Madoff didn't "physically harm" anyone either! n/t Spoonman Apr 2012 #92
Madoff was shot by a felon to keep him from fleeing? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #97
Of course not, Spoonman Apr 2012 #109
Waiting for the "she deserved it" vigilante apologist crowd jpak Apr 2012 #105
You missed the first response. a la izquierda Apr 2012 #112
RIP Summer Moody Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #110
Aw shit. That's very sad news. polly7 Apr 2012 #141
The DA has just announced that she sees no probable cause for prosecuting the shooter. pnwmom Apr 2012 #155
I think I'm one of the posters you think... Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #157
I've never thought they deliberately tried to shoot her. pnwmom Apr 2012 #160
It might under some circumstances... Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #188
We should definitely expand the situations in which an untrained person can ... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #159
In the boat they fired upon the island Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #161
I agree that it was negligent. But the DA has decided she didn't see probable cause pnwmom Apr 2012 #162
your recitation of the facts omit some key facts. grantcart Apr 2012 #181
Those are not "facts." pnwmom Apr 2012 #185
they are the 'facts' in the link that you sourced grantcart Apr 2012 #187
One group, the ones doing the shooting, has convicted felons as members.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #190
my points have nothing to do with the substance of the case grantcart Apr 2012 #191
Evidently the stories differ.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #193
What a horrible accident....prayers for her family. ileus Apr 2012 #186
Just like in Texas Catherine Vincent Apr 2012 #189
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