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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
42. I disagree. In fact, I could not disagree more.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:14 AM
Jan 2015

The wars we are fighting now are unlike anything we've experienced before. Those truck convoys have come under attack. The secure areas have come under attack. People fight their way through to the destination firing at enemy locations, and taking fire. This is why we armored up all of our vehicles. It wasn't so that huge cargo carrying trucks could rush to the front, but so that the supplies could get from secure area through the unsecured areas, to another base, which is theoretically secure.

I take issue with most everything that Ernst says. I can't think of a single issue I am in agreement with her about. However, the one area I do not take issue with is her service. By the standards of this asinine letter Tammy Duckworth is not a Combat Veteran, which must be a big surprise for the people who supply her wheelchair. I mean, she was flying from one secure area to another right?

Did Senator Duckworth get the Combat Infantrymans Badge? No? Why not if she was in combat? Because it is available to one small segment of the military, the Infantry. They do not award infantry badges to truck drivers, Engineers, Armor units, or anyone but Infantry.

The reason we want all of our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan is not because the infantry gets shot at. But because all of them are in danger for a goal that is either indescribable, or unacheivable. Too much risk, for little or no gain.

But to tell those who were injured, or the families of those killed by IED's, RPG's, Machine gun fire, or whatever death visited them during the convoy that they were not in combat for cheesy political points is asinine.

Take issue with Ernst on issues. Absolutely show that she's a hypocrite for taking farm subsidies while decrying them for others. Show she's an idiot on every single issue. But don't tell the families of those maimed, or killed, that they were not in combat because you want to go for the trifecta. Whoever wrote that letter is an ass. Quoting them because you hate Joni Ernst diminishes all of us, and belittles the thousands who were injured, or killed, and didn't get the coveted CIB because they weren't in an infantry unit.

Watch some videos on Youtube. Look up convoy attacked. See the bombs go off, the rockets flying, the people hit, maimed, killed. Tell me that they are not in combat because they aren't in the Infantry.

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my initial impression of her was she is a complete phony Skittles Jan 2015 #1
So instead of (R - !A) central scrutinizer Jan 2015 #65
Well, we find out her family received farm subsidies and in her old position her Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #2
but she's got a 6 year seat in the Senate. elleng Jan 2015 #4
People who listens to FOX believes any story. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #5
Exactly. elleng Jan 2015 #6
Yep Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #11
Indeed gratuitous Jan 2015 #13
Could this conceivably be a case of "stolen valor"? bullwinkle428 Jan 2015 #3
That is an interesting question. n/t xocet Jan 2015 #33
wouldn't be the first time a Senator would end up behind bars n/t PatrynXX Jan 2015 #34
Two questions... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #7
Good questions. elleng Jan 2015 #8
Well she is a woman, and they aren't so supportive of that demographic ToxMarz Jan 2015 #39
In the Marines, members of Combat Service Support units can receive the Combat Action Ribbon Recursion Jan 2015 #9
It appears not, elleng Jan 2015 #12
The Army has a relatively-new 'Combat Action Badge' created in 2005 pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #15
Then again all Marines do infantry training Recursion Jan 2015 #16
Soldiers have to serve in combat in an Infantry MOS to be awarded the CIB pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #19
Huh. Well, I think the Marines' way is better, but the rules are the rules Recursion Jan 2015 #21
She is a woman. When did the Marines accept Women in Raine1967 Jan 2015 #17
Combat Service Support is everybody who's not in infantry, armor, artillery, or aviation Recursion Jan 2015 #18
Thanks for the answer. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #20
Sorry, "Combat Service Support" is a Marine Corps-only designation Recursion Jan 2015 #22
They send all Marines to Infantry training? So every male/female is a fully qualified infantryman? braddy Jan 2015 #23
It used to be literally everyone did the full infantry school Recursion Jan 2015 #24
I knew they went to basic training, but when did every Marine become fully school trained braddy Jan 2015 #27
Every single Marine has gone to the School of Infantry (or Basic School for Officers) Recursion Jan 2015 #28
So they are not fully trained infantry, they take a shorter combat course, to give them the basics. braddy Jan 2015 #30
They are fully-trained infantry Recursion Jan 2015 #36
Ernst diminishes her own vet status Panich52 Jan 2015 #31
In other words atreides1 Jan 2015 #52
Why does it matter when the marines allowed women into combat service support? n/t whopis01 Jan 2015 #60
A real thank you for your service.. busterbrown Jan 2015 #10
They're forgetting how she did battle with all those hogs down on the farm!!!! MADem Jan 2015 #14
My ex was considered a war zone (combat) veteran but wasn't even in a country where lexington filly Jan 2015 #25
I think the important question is, was she ever in a combat situation? bluestateguy Jan 2015 #26
Yeah, I'd be careful about this one. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #29
The Letter says: elleng Jan 2015 #32
That doesn't make the letter accurate. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #40
OMG----This must be the FIRST TIME a Conservative ever lied about their military service nikto Jan 2015 #35
Pffft! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #50
144 women have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan exboyfil Jan 2015 #37
A look at comments in the Iowa State Daily state that she may qualify due to updated combat rules. NBachers Jan 2015 #38
I'll thank her for her service gwheezie Jan 2015 #41
I disagree. In fact, I could not disagree more. Savannahmann Jan 2015 #42
Tammy Duckworth's decorations (from Wiki page) catnhatnh Jan 2015 #47
By your reckoning then when someone goes off at a US military installation, everyone at that Bandit Jan 2015 #54
MOS does not a combat veteran make... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #43
Shoeless Joni Ernst from Iowa and her Field of Dreams. betsuni Jan 2015 #44
We can't see her CIB in those pics because it was covered by her bread bags. Orrex Jan 2015 #45
Her mother wears combat breadbags Blue Owl Jan 2015 #46
Snap! Orrex Jan 2015 #48
Kicked Enthusiast Jan 2015 #49
She is a marine. oldandhappy Jan 2015 #51
She is not a marine. n/t whopis01 Jan 2015 #59
I stand corrected. oldandhappy Jan 2015 #62
She's Iowa National Guard (Army). nt pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #63
oh! oldandhappy Jan 2015 #64
I believe she is a Lt Colonel in the Iowa National Guard whopis01 Jan 2015 #66
Did she receive "Combat Pay" or as it is called now Hazardous Duty Pay? Bandit Jan 2015 #53
She probably did pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #55
The Iowa Guard had their necks exposed. Remember the PA National Guard in '91 IADEMO2004 Jan 2015 #56
Ellen, you must live a charmed life, when I said what you said i was ATTACKED by SEVERAL NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #57
I have no idea why that would be, Justice. elleng Jan 2015 #61
Ellen posted a Letter from a Combat Vet, NJNP.. I remember that thread.. one reason I was glad Cha Jan 2015 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author stevedtx Jan 2015 #58
VA regulations show Ernst is not a combat vet John Cole Feb 2015 #68
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