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JonLP24

(29,886 posts)
49. As bad as or worse than Bush depends on the policy
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:51 AM
Jan 2015

indefinite detentions continued, black sites continued, the "increase tensions" argument continues to be used as late as 2014 (don't know if a '15 example exists) to block releases such as how it relates to the Senate Torture Report which is contrasted by a memo he put out day 1 that things like torture photos shouldn't be kept hidden based on "subjective fears". Things like are ever expanding spy apparatus but now if a Democrat remains a critic of the Patriot Act then they are accused of being a Libertarian by Democrats for opposing the Patriot Act (I write plenty on how I feel about private business and support a mixed economy & safety nets, strong unions--clearly different from Libertarian ideology). He also expanded the powers of the executive powers by secret orders to kill US citizens by passing Habaes Corpus when as far as Bush went is the "dirty bomber" Jose Padilla was held in military custody for 3-years, probably tortured, fought it in court & tried to use the "enemy combatant" rule to justify giving charges or an opportunity to challenge his detention. Gave up, right before it went to the Supreme Court & now he is serving 20 years in Supermax for a thought crime. That was a horrible precedent in itself, but the "kill orders" is where he'd be worse than Bush.

Progressives are also a reliable consistent voting demographic for the Democratic Party. Basically the vast majority of votes Alison Lunden-Grimes did receive for all that distancing was from women, African-Americans, and the liberal wing and poor mainly from Louisville. Also don't forget the poor when it comes to reliable Democratic Party demographics.

I also voted for Obama twice, it kinda helps that I live here is I spend far more time depending him from outrageous claims & lies, & ulterior motives. Right after the 2012 election, I overhead a McDonald's worker express concern now that Obama won because of those poor old people & the death panels and how everyone will now be suffering from all these high taxes Obama is going to implement. Unlike the greedy assholes, she seemed to believe these things. One Republican expressed to their Republican friends that Obama "wants to cut social security" and the OMG concern response. I didn't bother to try to explain that one because it would be so pathetic, besides no matter what I try, most of them won't vote for Democrats anyways. Even saying you're liberal is treated as if it is a shocking revelation.

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I do not believe so. Sherman A1 Jan 2015 #1
I DO believe so... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #2
Not necessarily. Seems both (D's) and (R's) jockey a bit this early. pinto Jan 2015 #3
no hollysmom Jan 2015 #4
No, not at all. If the Democratic party wants to win, the party leadership needs to run Democrats Autumn Jan 2015 #5
+1. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #10
Exactly. I see no reason to vote for a democrats who will work for the corporations and Autumn Jan 2015 #12
+1 nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #15
Read Freud's Narcissism Of Small Differences/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #6
on this board, yes tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #7
Not this Democrat, I can't speak for the other 50 million or so tularetom Jan 2015 #8
On the internet, yes wyldwolf Jan 2015 #9
Smearing our elected Democratic officials-including the twice-elected POTUS-with... YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #29
+a million Number23 Jan 2015 #36
What's even more alarming.. sendero Jan 2015 #44
As bad as or worse than Bush depends on the policy JonLP24 Jan 2015 #49
Just during competitive presidential primaries FBaggins Jan 2015 #11
Yes for DU, no to everywhere else on the internet. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #13
Part of the problem is this: cheapdate Jan 2015 #14
It only took 5 replies for someone to make your point for you. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #16
Sure enough. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #30
Yep! Number23 Jan 2015 #37
Is this a push poll? salib Jan 2015 #17
It is more like 'democrats' spend all their time talking about dems. Rex Jan 2015 #18
Well, judging by this post, I'd say yes. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2015 #19
We should leave the job of criticizing Democrats to the GOP. we should reserve our criticism for Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #20
Much of the very surly rhetoric comes from self appointed advocates for specific candidates Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #21
I hope so. truebluegreen Jan 2015 #22
Some do treestar Jan 2015 #23
I think it'd be a mistake to assume that all of the people who claim to be "progressive Democrats" YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #26
that too, agree treestar Jan 2015 #50
I dont see Democrats criticizing other Democrats? Ramses Jan 2015 #24
No mention of racism, misogyny/sexism, homophobia, or anti-immigrant xenophobia? YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #27
why of course they do. Ramses Jan 2015 #28
When you cannot feed your family.. sendero Jan 2015 #45
You do realize that not feeding your family sometimes is related to all of those things. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #46
Sometimes.. sendero Jan 2015 #48
What a litmus test treestar Jan 2015 #51
Capitalism per se does not require facilitating or causing transfers of wealth to the richest. merrily Jan 2015 #55
How is that done? treestar Jan 2015 #71
Not only the natural workings of capitalism y far. Favorable legislation helps a lot. merrily Jan 2015 #73
Only here at DU krawhitham Jan 2015 #25
IMO - we spend too much 840high Jan 2015 #31
+ a million. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #43
Not at all. In fact, I think too much attention is paid to the relatively minor political missteps Maedhros Jan 2015 #32
Yes. Totally agree. I end 840high Jan 2015 #33
+1. And God forbid we expect Democrat to act like Democrats. merrily Jan 2015 #56
I suppose this is what one gets when the Democrats have nothing to offer Maedhros Jan 2015 #69
They are the family values ranters, so their doing these things shows how insincere they are treestar Jan 2015 #72
+100 ND-Dem Jan 2015 #74
'round these parts, totally yes. But it's the DNA of people who aren't zombies. n/t UTUSN Jan 2015 #34
They sure do at DU. And yes, it's a problem. I want oppo research on Republican candidates... Hekate Jan 2015 #35
"DU is too busy hosting smear campaigns against the Clintons" Number23 Jan 2015 #38
You are 100% accurate in that assessment, imo Hekate Jan 2015 #40
"And as someone said upthread, anyone that comes here ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #41
What absolutely astonishes me is that there are people here who apparently believe that it is Number23 Jan 2015 #70
I will say so, Hutzpa Jan 2015 #39
On DU? Yes. NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #42
I think partisanship is a bigger problem JonLP24 Jan 2015 #47
The time for Democrats to unite is when a primary ends, not before one begins. merrily Jan 2015 #52
I should hope so.... daleanime Jan 2015 #53
I would rather have criticism of Dems HappyMe Jan 2015 #54
I would rather have mindless agreement that mindless excuses. merrily Jan 2015 #58
I don't think mindless agreement HappyMe Jan 2015 #59
Which is exactly what my post says. merrily Jan 2015 #60
P.S. you never said why you think criticism of Dem politicians by Dem voters is a problem merrily Jan 2015 #57
That is a good point. HappyMe Jan 2015 #61
Thanks. Regardless of how much one CAN mock Palin, what good does it do to mock her to Dems? merrily Jan 2015 #62
No. In reality, the sky is blue, water is wet, and Republicans are crap. djean111 Jan 2015 #63
I don't know, but LWolf Jan 2015 #64
Double edge sword. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #65
Nah.... And don't be mislead by DU. Adrahil Jan 2015 #66
Not in real life. bigwillq Jan 2015 #67
One of the paths to popularity on DU is writing up diatribes about how inferior other Democratic Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #68
now who does that put me in mind of....? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #75
From my POV the enemy is within ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #77
I'm not sure. DU is its own thing, and isn't really reflective of MineralMan Jan 2015 #78
I think they spend the most time criticizing republican policies & ideals. raouldukelives Jan 2015 #79
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