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JayhawkSD

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15. EGADS indeed.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jan 2015
"You mean they sought to maximize the value of the company before they offered shares to the public? EGADS!"

Yes, I do have a problem with waiting until the value has maxed out before offering it to the public. Then the public "benefits" from a falling stock value rather than a rising one, while the founders benefit from a stock which had an actual cash value of zero, and a significant portion of which they retain, being sold to the public (and given to them for free) at its maximum value. That is a sophisticated and legalized form of theft.

"the future profit stream of the company is discounted to a present value"

No IPO is ever issued at the present value of a company. It is issued at hundreds, thousands and sometimes millions of times the present value. The IPO is always issued based on the anticipated future of the company and never on the present state of the company.

The high tech "dot com bubble" was filled with IPOs issued by companies with negative equity and negative earnings and based on hyped up future earnings. They did not "discount their future profit stream to present value," because if they had they would have been paying investors to take their stock.

"The issuance of stock merely puts a "public" price on the shares owned by management."

And that stock is a form of wealth and it is in their pocket. It is owned by them, as even you admit. It may not be possible for them to sell it immediately, but they can use it as collateral, they can show it on their balance sheet, and the ownership of that stock makes them enormously wealthy.

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Is Shake Shack's IPO a good thing? [View all] jmowreader Jan 2015 OP
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I know they've got many overseas locations already jmowreader Jan 2015 #3
I occasionally watch Mumbai-Dubai ticket prices for that reason Recursion Jan 2015 #4
All of that is true with or without an IPO. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #2
Pretty much true jmowreader Jan 2015 #6
The IPO is not about expansion, it is about making the present owners rich JayhawkSD Jan 2015 #5
You are very close to the absolute truth jmowreader Jan 2015 #8
Ummm...so? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #13
EGADS indeed. JayhawkSD Jan 2015 #15
Let me help you understand this. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #19
It finally came to LA... zappaman Jan 2015 #7
So I've heard jmowreader Jan 2015 #9
I agree. zappaman Jan 2015 #10
in and out and fatburger are my favorites JI7 Jan 2015 #11
I have the luck (not sure if it's good or bad) zappaman Jan 2015 #12
Call it neutral luck jmowreader Jan 2015 #14
Never understood the attraction with Shake Shack VScott Jan 2015 #16
All burgers are overrated. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #20
My current loyalty is to Smashburger. Since there are MineralMan Jan 2015 #17
It's another Krispy Kreme waiting to happen. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #18
I think you are correct. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #21
I think that's a solid assessment fishwax Jan 2015 #26
Going public doesn't have much to do with 1, 2, 3 or 4. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #22
Any of the four should give an investor pause jmowreader Jan 2015 #23
That's assuming the stock exchange is open KamaAina Jan 2015 #24
So Shake Shack's owner's are cashing in. Whatever. nt TeamPooka Jan 2015 #25
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