8 of 10 most violent states in america are - you guessed it - red

[beevul]

118. Speaking of premises...false ones at that.

"Your premise requires that the idea of large numbers of people being inherently more evil than small numbers of people, simply because their numbers are larger. That's your first absurdity."

Nonsense. Complete, utter, and unabashed nonsense. I said nothing about "more or less evil". Thats a contrivance that belongs to you.

"Let's look at your hypothetical town of 34 with 1 murder each year. Forget about murder - that's a death rate that leads to extinction of a population within a generation. You seem to be perfectly OK with that. You don't think that's worse than the 435 Chicago had in 2010? In your town, everyone knows one another. Everyone is probably related one way or another. All the murders are possibly related, and the law in that town probably knows who's guilty and - either intentionally or through incompetence - allows the murderers to go free. And finally it means that the murders may be covering up some other, greater crimes."

You assume alot.

"Forget about murder - that's a death rate that leads to extinction of a population within a generation."

This town, the one I used in my example, is a real place, and quite old. Many generations old. I assure you, its not going anywhere.


"all the murders are possibly related"? All 1 of them?

"and the law in that town probably knows who's guilty and - either intentionally or through incompetence - allows the murderers to go free."

Unincorporated towns have no "law", as you use the word. Theres the county sheriff, and thats it.

"And finally it means that the murders may be covering up some other, greater crimes."

Really? Tell me more carnac.

See, there hasn't been a murder in this actual town...ever...as far as I know. The only thing hypothetical at all, about using it as an example, is the hypothetical of "if there were a murder" there.

So you've seen my "hypothetical, and raised it several other hypotheticals...which essentially dodges the entire point. More on that in a minute.

"Every person in your town lives in constant fear. That's not a problem? Police corruption isn't a problem?"

Constant fear? LOL Of hailstorms and crop destructive weather perhaps lol.

Police corruption? How can there be corruption in that which does not exist?

This is not sanford FL, baldguy, no matter how you try to paint it so.

"Tragic though they may be, 435 murders out of a population of 2.5 million people isn't unusual. Such a rate will not lead to extinction, it's not evidence of massive police corruption, and the people do not live in constant fear."

435 murders in Chicago in 2010. Versus 1 hypothetical murder in this very real town I used in my example.

"You don't think that's worse than the 435 Chicago had in 2010?"

No, I really don't. Do you?

"However, there are quite a few things we can still do to reduce the number of murders. One of which is to get rid of the guns."

The law is not on your side where "getting rid of guns" is concerned. Sure, you can point fingers, blame the right wing branch of the USSC (in spite of the clear support of individual rights protection from the rest of the court), blame the nra, blame gun culture, gun manufacturers, hell...even blame the people that make steel while you're at it. You do know guns can't be made without steel right?

None of that really matters. The law is not on your side where "getting rid of guns" is concerned. Thats something you're just going to have to come to terms with.

But thats neither here nor there.

Do you REALLY think, that Chicago with its 435 murders in 2010, has less of a problem with murders, that any town of say 34, that has 1 annually?

Oh, and BTW, nearly everyone here, including the town of 34 I used as an example, owns guns.