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Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:26 PM

Jan 2015

...because to do so would poison the negotiations by preventing the participants from being frank with one another and forcing them into theatrical posturing.

The point of a negotiation is to craft a deal that has something for everyone. By putting it out as a whole people are given the opportunity to decide based on the pluses balanced against the minuses, as opposed to a piecemeal evaluation that only considers the detrements of one provision without an understanding of other counter balancing provisions.

If you are simply against any and all potential deals and think we should build a moat around America and become a hermit kingdom, well fine. Say so. If you think that America should be , has to be, an active participant in the world and engaged with it in order to enjoy peace and prosperity, then support confidential negotiations so that we can establish relationships that are, overall , to our advantage.

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Clinton Holds Solid Leads Over All GOP Challengers [View all] wyldwolf Jan 2015 OP

Is it 2016 already? Damn that cheap alarm clock! Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #1

Presidential election season always starts after midterms. Always. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #3

When is the time to govern, is all I am implying? To the media it is always election season, what Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4

To the political parties, traditionally, presidential election season starts after the midterms. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #6

Yes, but that is not a campagin, that is preparation. What country has a two year campaign? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7

Who said it was a campaign? I said it was election 'season.' wyldwolf Jan 2015 #9

Thank for the well wishes. I will keep up the argument for ending the endless election/campaign Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11

I've had a Clinton/Castro 2016 bumper sticker on my car since mid 2014. McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #149

kick samsingh Jan 2015 #2

It's so early and the public is so fickle FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #5

that's nice wyldwolf Jan 2015 #8

Is is the season for the massive cash needed, folks are confusing money grovelling with campaigning. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12

All possible, of course.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #54

Please Run Liz, Bernie, Joe, Al, Ham Sandwich....ANYONE but Hillary!!! n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #10

Won't happen. Maybe Bernie will mount a symbolic campaign. That's all. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #13

Maybe so, but Hillary won't get my vote if she's the candidate. My conscience won't allow it. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #15

That's fine. She won't need it. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #23

Re: That's fine. She won't need it. SFnomad Jan 2015 #141

+10 (nt) PosterChild Jan 2015 #154

Nor mine. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #29

It will happen. You will be wrong again. n/t Dawgs Jan 2015 #33

No, I won't. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #35

Looks like she is on track to be our next president. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #14

The Corporatist track is the only one she rides on. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #16

Your opinion, not mine.n/t. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #17

It's a fact, not an opinion, but have a good day. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #18

You have a great weekend. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #19

Apparently you have a different definition of 'fact.' Unless... wyldwolf Jan 2015 #20

I'm sure you know she is a corporatist without me posting a wall of text. You're not stupid. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #21

ah, a cop out. Typical. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #22

Some so called Dems are just fine and dandy with the oligarchy. L0oniX Jan 2015 #28

Yep. Phlem Jan 2015 #41

Almost two years and you think it's over? Dawgs Jan 2015 #34

Did I say I thought it was over? No I did not. n/t. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #36

No. You said she's "on track", which is just as dumb. n/t Dawgs Jan 2015 #37

Since you are only looking to insult, I have no desire to continue. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #38

$$$ L0oniX Jan 2015 #24

^ wyldwolf Jan 2015 #25

You are for big money in politics to get the win? Got it. L0oniX Jan 2015 #27

You're for ceding elections to Republicans because of money? Got it. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #30

right Phlem Jan 2015 #43

Irrelevant reply. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #48

Of course. Phlem Jan 2015 #55

it diverts from the topic wyldwolf Jan 2015 #69

No, we are being overran by big money, there is a difference nolabels Jan 2015 #150

I'm happy. William769 Jan 2015 #26

Both Warren and Obama don't mind if she gets it... freshwest Jan 2015 #147

Great Pic! (nt) PosterChild Jan 2015 #155

SC Nominees! Gamecock Lefty Jan 2015 #31

+1 SunSeeker Jan 2015 #44

I'll see your 1, and raise you 9 - +10 (nt ) PosterChild Jan 2015 #156

So there we were...way back when... BrainDrain Jan 2015 #32

I'll be writing in Elizabeth Warrens name ProudProg2u Jan 2015 #39

That will have the same effect as writing in the GOP candidate's name. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #42

So your saying Hillary's Progressive? Phlem Jan 2015 #45

Most liberals/Dems appear to think she is. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #50

" Most liberals/Dems appear to think she is." Phlem Jan 2015 #57

Cash! Prizes!! It's time to play "Which warmonger said it?"!! RufusTFirefly Jan 2015 #62

+1 The new meme, Hillary's a progressive says the Thirdway Phlem Jan 2015 #63

Do you know what issues are impirtant to progressives? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #64

I'm going to stab in the dark Phlem Jan 2015 #65

Has the negotiations and content of TTP been released? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #66

Why are you asking me the obvious. If you don't know the answer to that Phlem Jan 2015 #67

Then we do not know what is being negotiated so the answer of whether it is Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #71

Bullshit. Phlem Jan 2015 #87

BS back to you, you dont know $hit about what TTP contains. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #92

Well if it's so damn good Phlem Jan 2015 #103

The content hasn't been released... PosterChild Jan 2015 #159

Jobs andlivable wages... PosterChild Jan 2015 #157

Agreed. But Phlem Jan 2015 #158

Thanks for sharing your perspective (nt) PosterChild Jan 2015 #160

All I'm saying is refusing to vote for the Dem is a vote for the GOP. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #68

Ah I see. Phlem Jan 2015 #74

Just because you're married and have a daughter does not prove your priorities. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #77

OK then, you've got me all figured out. Phlem Jan 2015 #82

These polls are meaningless raindaddy Jan 2015 #61

I see. Any polls you disagree with are "meaningless." SunSeeker Jan 2015 #72

Another network poll in 2007 had Hillary leading Obama by 22pts. raindaddy Jan 2015 #116

Yes, that poll reflects a public that did not yet know Obama. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #117

You're making my point sunseeker.. raindaddy Jan 2015 #118

My point is there's no Obama in the wings this time around to upend the polls. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #119

Well actually... BrainDrain Jan 2015 #134

So the 72% of liberals who support Clinton don't have eyes? SunSeeker Jan 2015 #139

I'm saying so far there's two candidates that refelect what the Democratc party stands for. raindaddy Jan 2015 #140

Thanks Professor Peabody MyNameGoesHere Jan 2015 #129

These Hill-bots forget their history. She was expectedd to have a coronation cake walk once before peacebird Jan 2015 #126

Maybe she can invite her pals Henry Kissinger and Rupert Murdoch to her inauguration. BlueStater Jan 2015 #40

George Bush in a dress easychoice Jan 2015 #106

Call me a traitor. Pelt me with garbage if you want.... RufusTFirefly Jan 2015 #46

May i steal your energizer bunny please? peacebird Jan 2015 #127

Be my guest! n/t RufusTFirefly Jan 2015 #135

Kind of tired of SOS Ferd Berfel Jan 2015 #47

With those kind of leads she is a shoe-in to win the GOP primaries LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #49

LOL! Perfect response! peacebird Jan 2015 #125

Looking forward to the primaries and election, I will be backing Hillary who is progressive, Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #51

"Hillary Clinton is..." RufusTFirefly Jan 2015 #53

You can play Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #56

Two year's until the election and Hillary's already being stuffed down our throats... raindaddy Jan 2015 #52

as you can see. Phlem Jan 2015 #59

WINNING! AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #70

She is leading......on what exactly? mylye2222 Jan 2015 #58

this OP is a joke. Phlem Jan 2015 #60

Your reply is a joke wyldwolf Jan 2015 #73

ouch, it's been a long time since 3rd grade and it still hurts. Phlem Jan 2015 #76

Quit acting like you're in third grade and the pain might go away wyldwolf Jan 2015 #79

Oh so good! Who writes your material? Phlem Jan 2015 #84

It writes itself. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #86

Yes and that image just proves how pathetic our choices are Phlem Jan 2015 #90

Perhaps you'll like this one better wyldwolf Jan 2015 #93

Brushing up on Republican tactics? Phlem Jan 2015 #95

Posting a DU pick of the moment is a Republican tactic? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #96

Now is that what I said? Phlem Jan 2015 #99

It is, actually wyldwolf Jan 2015 #100

ah we have some revealing truth now. Phlem Jan 2015 #102

I'm glad you agree. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #104

she is? Please prove that! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #101

The op posted a legit news story. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #75

She is not a progressive, She is Third Way. Phlem Jan 2015 #78

hey wyldwolf Jan 2015 #80

I'm sure this was the motivation for your OP. Phlem Jan 2015 #83

It was the opposite. My OP was the motivation for the image. But don't forget... wyldwolf Jan 2015 #85

Thanks Bud. I'll make sure to print it throw Phlem Jan 2015 #89

Don't mention it! wyldwolf Jan 2015 #91

And I respect your honest view. i don't agree with you but you don't like her and i say speak your hrmjustin Jan 2015 #81

haha, if we go by popularity on DU Kucinich should have easily been the nominee JI7 Jan 2015 #122

I would hope so! Her GOP rivals are all clowns. Rex Jan 2015 #88

Great news! The republican clown car is just getting underway and workinclasszero Jan 2015 #94

It's interesting that the numbers are almost the same for all contenders. Chemisse Jan 2015 #97

Meaningless. Dems don't vote. She will lose. Period. broadcaster75201 Jan 2015 #98

Ridiculous statements. Both of them. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #105

So Dems did not vote for Barack Obama during both his presidential elections? MoonRiver Jan 2015 #130

"Dems don't vote" is a ridiculous comment... brooklynite Jan 2015 #132

Again this is posted, and again I'll say..... vi5 Jan 2015 #107

Only on DU, a supposedly pro-Democratic party forum, would good news like this get so few recs. Metric System Jan 2015 #108

Crazy ain't it? workinclasszero Jan 2015 #111

Absolutely sad! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #114

DU does not represent most Democrats Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #138

Actually.... elzenmahn Jan 2015 #146

Yep, that's why this site has become a joke. Beacool Jan 2015 #161

Ok. What about Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren? Or Grayson? Or even Sherrod Brown? silvershadow Jan 2015 #109

Warren doesn't want to run (but you knew that) brooklynite Jan 2015 #131

You forgot to mention that Bernie Sanders is not a registered Democrat Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #137

Don't forget the 1% also supports her davidn3600 Jan 2015 #110

That will change once the campaign starts. Still early. Autumn Jan 2015 #112

The more she's out there, the less people like her. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #113

Yeah, that's what I think. And lately she has been very quiet. Autumn Jan 2015 #115

This is not a revelation, it is true of any public figure. tritsofme Jan 2015 #120

as in how can I miss you if you won't go away? AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #121

not only is it not a revelation. It's a contradictory statement wyldwolf Jan 2015 #123

Great. The 99% get fucked regardless of who wins eridani Jan 2015 #124

War and Wall Street 2016 MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #128

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2015 #133

22 months is an eternity in American politics, but I'm happy to see this Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #136

She'll need a big lead to make up for all the REAL DEMS that won't vote for Queen of the Blue Dogs blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #142

snicker... wyldwolf Jan 2015 #145

gop are terrified that many gop women will cross over Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #143

Don't expect to many Clinton supporter here.. Tommy2Tone Jan 2015 #144

Women, under 40, minorities and low income voters. Sounds like my kind of folks. McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #148

She's a shoe-in to be the Republican nominee. :D nt silvershadow Jan 2015 #151

Hillary Clinton? sus453 Jan 2015 #152

But she still kicks every Republican's ass by double digits, which is the point of the OP wyldwolf Jan 2015 #153

Why does a Democrat beating the pants off Republicans make members of a board for Democrats upset? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #162