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truedelphi

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52. Thanks, One Voice

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 10:20 PM

Dec 2011

I also find it amazing that our legislative process is set up so that in order to get the funding to continue to fight the wars (And supposedly help those troops we need to support) we can also find provisions that strip away our liberties, or kill babies, if that's what the Powers that Be want to have happen.

Obama even campaigned regarding the notion that under his Administration, there wouldn't be

1) legislative acts over 500 pages in length

2) unrelated items coming up under other legislative matters

This was an important promise, yet once he became President, he became like "What? Why me have to worry about the legislative process - that ball is in Congress's court!"

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Two four star Marine generals demands that President Obama veto the National Defense Authorization [View all] lovuian Dec 2011 OP

Liars! Liars! MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #1

there is some controversy lovuian Dec 2011 #13

Link Please? rsmith6621 Dec 2011 #2

Do you have a link?... one_voice Dec 2011 #3

from what I heard it was a NYT op ed lovuian Dec 2011 #6

I can get in... one_voice Dec 2011 #9

thanks so much One voice lovuian Dec 2011 #10

It's a big deal. Generals aren't known for casually endorsing freedom over "security." DirkGently Dec 2011 #16

It is alarming and I had not heard about it on the TV lovuian Dec 2011 #17

You can find retired generals who say all kinds of things jberryhill Dec 2011 #22

Yes, for the sake of completeness nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #43

My faith in the Marine Corps is being restored. ThomWV Dec 2011 #4

Good. And here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/opinion/guantanamo-forever.html DirkGently Dec 2011 #5

Thanks! n/t one_voice Dec 2011 #7

thanks so much for the link lovuian Dec 2011 #8

Not in living memory. Hardrada Dec 2011 #11

I couldn't remember a time either these are Marine Generals? lovuian Dec 2011 #15

There are retired generals who are birthers too jberryhill Dec 2011 #23

we're not talking about birth certificates here.. frylock Dec 2011 #41

The point is that the opinion of a "retired general" is no more legitimate than any other jberryhill Dec 2011 #47

General Krulak is a former Commandant of the Marine Corps BeGoodDoGood Dec 2011 #45

2007, against the Iraq War: bhikkhu Dec 2011 #24

Some of the piece... one_voice Dec 2011 #12

I am SHocked that the generals went to the NYT lovuian Dec 2011 #14

Thanks, One Voice truedelphi Dec 2011 #52

OH WOW this isn't just two Generals this is Forty generals Freak me out lovuian Dec 2011 #18

Krulak is not just a former general. He was the 31st Commandant of the Marine Corps. A rare honor. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #19

Indeed! All the more amazing...! peacebird Dec 2011 #28

And his father was Gen. Victor ("the Brute") Krulak.... Bigmack Dec 2011 #42

David M Shoup was also top notch. He was right, and he had insight as to what was planned. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #46

Who put that language in that bill? Does anyone know? sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #20

Unrec'd brooklynite Dec 2011 #21

It should read '40 retired Generals'. Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #34

smedley butler was a marine corp general iemitsu Dec 2011 #25

Excellent. k&r for these principled Generals. n/t Laelth Dec 2011 #26

Semper fi! peacebird Dec 2011 #27

Wow. They used Obama's own words Autumn Dec 2011 #29

IKR? theaocp Dec 2011 #31

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This ProSense Dec 2011 #32

The changes did nothing to fix this bill. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #51

+1. nt MADem Dec 2011 #54

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Semper Fi! Odin2005 Dec 2011 #38

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Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #44

Thanks Uncle Joe and to everybody but I am still troubled lovuian Dec 2011 #55

Four Star Marine General Anthony Zinni BeGoodDoGood Dec 2011 #48

k & r Quantess Dec 2011 #49

Du rec - sorry Chuckles. xchrom Dec 2011 #50

They are CITIZENS and they can say what they like, but they no longer have any clout in the chain MADem Dec 2011 #53

k/r emilyg Dec 2011 #56