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85. Well, Biden was an early favorite in 1988

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:04 AM

Jan 2015

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But if you want to know what happened to his candidacy, just Google "Biden" and "Neil Kinnock". It was a rather tame "scandal", but it was enough to derail his campaign.

Rule of American politics: If you're a Democrat with decent ideas, your campaign can be derailed by the slightest things, such as crying (Ed Muskie, Pat Schroeder), lifting a speech from another politician (Biden), giving a shout of joy (Dean), or even riding around in an army tank (Dukakis).
If you're a Republican, you can have a closet cram-full of skeletons which will never undergo real scrutiny.

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If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler” [View all] pampango Jan 2015 OP

Then here's the chance for Democrats to approach him and assure their backing if he decides to run sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #1

I suspect the Third-Way contingent would work to kill his campaign from within NorthCarolina Jan 2015 #103

Shouldn't he be approaching the Democrats? George II Jan 2015 #122

No, why should he? He is making it clear he is interested in running for the WH, he has now stated sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #128

The Democratic Party, i.e., Barack Obama, has won the last two Presidential elections, and... George II Jan 2015 #136

Those paying attention realized he was never going to be another Nader. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2015 #2

Exactly. But that was a cheap reason to diss him because he is a threat to Hillary. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #91

Good point. bvf Jan 2015 #106

I don't know about that. As recently as September he was saying he could run as EITHER an totodeinhere Jan 2015 #107

I did see that, but I believe that come the actual election time PoliticAverse Jan 2015 #112

But, as has been discussed here before, he said in December 2013 that winter is coming Jan 2015 #138

Unless he feels that he could actually win the general election as a third totodeinhere Jan 2015 #139

Run Bernie Run! nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #3

Go go go go Bernie Sanders!!!!! Run Bernie Run! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #4

+1. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #5

glad to hear it! I know republicans would love to see demigoddess Jan 2015 #6

I thought he was too smart for that.. Cha Jan 2015 #7

I wonder if, sometime in the near future, he and Hillary get together for a private conversation. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #8

It wouldn't do any good...Hillary is Hillary... tokenlib Jan 2015 #9

the ONLY reason Bernie needs to become a Democrat....is.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #10

I take Bernie at his word and am very happy to hear that if he runs (and I hope he does) he JDPriestly Jan 2015 #18

You take Bernie at his word? HOW does that negate what I just said? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #21

He can't run in the primaries if he is not a Democrat. Adrahil Jan 2015 #23

He can run in his OWN primaries.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #24

Ummm... No... Adrahil Jan 2015 #26

Um yes....Indpendent Party he is currently in.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #28

He said he would not run as a spoiler... Adrahil Jan 2015 #31

That is what I am trying to tell YOU....the ONLY reason he NEEDS the Democrats...is M.O.N.E.Y. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #33

No, the main thing isn't the money... thesquanderer Jan 2015 #97

Perhaps you could tell us which positions he holds that are inconsistent with Dem policies. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #34

Perhaps YOU could tell us how he can run in the Democratic Primaries without becoming a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #36

All he has to do is switch his formal affiliation to the Democratic Party. winter is coming Jan 2015 #38

You don't see that as a big deal...however the ONLY reason to do that....is still M.O.N.E.Y. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #40

Actually, visibility would be a good reason. winter is coming Jan 2015 #41

"visibility" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #42

Incorrect...The MAJOR reason to run as a Democrat is to NOT SPLIT THE VOTE, and to unify those that Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #76

How is that inconsistent with Bernie Sanders? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #82

Ballot access is important too Renew Deal Jan 2015 #45

Bottom line...you cannot get elected without money.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #47

Perot ran on his own line in the general election Renew Deal Jan 2015 #51

EXACTLY.....because BERNIE cannot raise the money...PERIOD! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #52

Money and ballot access are not the same. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #55

Yes my friend it takes MONEY......money to buy advertising.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #56

Bernie has no chance Renew Deal Jan 2015 #58

That's called reality! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #60

I don't know why people feel O'Malley would be popular JonLP24 Jan 2015 #83

If Hillary and Biden somehow don't run, voters will likely support O'Malley Renew Deal Jan 2015 #84

Biden would probably be even more unpopular than O'Malley JonLP24 Jan 2015 #86

I saw a poll with Biden and without Hillary that had him in the lead Renew Deal Jan 2015 #87

Most of the people outside of Biden & Hillary are unknown to the American public JonLP24 Jan 2015 #88

He doesn't belong to any political party JonLP24 Jan 2015 #81

Not for money. How much more moeny will he just because he has a D after his name? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #53

How much money do you think it takes to win an election? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #54

How would changing parties give him more money? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #89

because the Democratic party HAS it...geebus! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #90

........ daleanime Jan 2015 #35

Actually, I'm not sure he can get on the ballot in some states without a party affiliation Renew Deal Jan 2015 #44

Perot ran.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #57

In the general election Renew Deal Jan 2015 #59

because he didn't belong to one of the major parties...just like Bernie! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #61

How can you possibly defend the statement that Sen. Sanders does "not belong in one of the major... Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #75

can Hillary run without money? can anyone? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #78

Far from the only reason JonLP24 Jan 2015 #80

*sniff sniff* LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #100

Lol! BeanMusical Jan 2015 #111

Good man, Bernie. Thanks for refusing to 'Nader' the election. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #11

Cool (nt) bigwillq Jan 2015 #12

yes! run, bernie, run! nt hopemountain Jan 2015 #13

So no more Bernie = Nader threads? KamaAina Jan 2015 #14

Now it will probably just turn to the "Bernie is unelectable" talking point. nt NorthCarolina Jan 2015 #104

Oh, right. My bad. KamaAina Jan 2015 #105

Keep up nxylas Jan 2015 #129

Only someone with absolutely no knowledge of Bernie's history NorthCarolina Jan 2015 #130

No need for any as long as he doesn't run a deliberate spoiler vanity boondoggle is there? whatthehey Jan 2015 #135

I believe he would easily get as many votes as Nader and maybe as many as Perot, mountain grammy Jan 2015 #15

Amen.... daleanime Jan 2015 #37

Road trip! Count me in, Grammy! Stardust Jan 2015 #124

You're in, Stardust! mountain grammy Jan 2015 #125

I was on the call PDittie Jan 2015 #16

That's because "Clinton's the next in line," MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #19

"Pushed down our throats"??? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #27

The challengers will not be Sanders or Warren PDittie Jan 2015 #118

Bernie is polling at 4%.....Hillary at 61%.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #25

Color me surprised that you commented on this post. MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #29

So do 61% of Democrats! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #30

Well, that's all good and fine. I too will vote for the candidate. MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #43

The ONLY ones saying "forgone conclusion" or "crowning" etc....are the Left Leaning Independents.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #48

And yet - here you are...... djean111 Jan 2015 #63

Obama had also been a nationally recognized figure for almost 3 years NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #74

Well, Biden was an early favorite in 1988 Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #85

Some people never get tired of performance art. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #39

Performance art would be thinking that you can come from 4% and beat the candidate with 61% VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #50

Do you really think you are helping Hillary with this constant stream of....stuff? djean111 Jan 2015 #64

Constant stream of FACTS? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #65

Facts is not the word I had in mind. djean111 Jan 2015 #66

You don't get to decide IF she is a Democrat...apparently MOST Democrats do believe she is... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #67

You are aware that I only make that decision for myself, by myself, right? djean111 Jan 2015 #94

Interesting in the same post it is understood only the individual decides their affiliation TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #113

She decided that I was not a democrat, I was a left leaning independent. And after thinking about it Autumn Jan 2015 #123

You are SO ipso facto, I am stunned that my dear friend did not bestow an ipso facto on me. Autumn Jan 2015 #126

I think there is an ipso facto tshirt 'n' everything! So sad you did not qualify......nt djean111 Jan 2015 #131

Go Bernie go! MissDeeds Jan 2015 #17

He loves his country tabasco Jan 2015 #20

So...Syriza? moondust Jan 2015 #22

Good for Bernie Andy823 Jan 2015 #32

Campaign for Bernie now, like he's already a Dem, to get a jump on the primaries. nt Zorra Jan 2015 #46

K&R Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #49

I will work for Bernie if he runs. hay rick Jan 2015 #62

exactly Ramses Jan 2015 #70

Sanders seems to have people frightened here. Ramses Jan 2015 #68

And lots of exclamation points. 'Cause if you say it louder, that makes it more true. winter is coming Jan 2015 #69

Left Leaning Independents elevens!!!11111!!!1 Ramses Jan 2015 #72

Careful, dude... Buns_of_Fire Jan 2015 #93

What RESPECT I have for this human. nt UTUSN Jan 2015 #71

Same here MissDeeds Jan 2015 #77

“I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the US..." freshwest Jan 2015 #73

Bernie is a good man and I look forward to the debates. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #79

He's one of the good guys madokie Jan 2015 #92

Of course, that assumes all the Republicans are in the Republican party. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #95

Yep, the only thing standing in the way of democracy is Wall St money. raouldukelives Jan 2015 #96

Yay, Bernie! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #98

Bernie Sanders is actually a realist. MineralMan Jan 2015 #99

I always knew... Paka Jan 2015 #101

K&R nt Duval Jan 2015 #102

My one concern is that if both he and Warren run they could split the anti-Clinton vote and totodeinhere Jan 2015 #108

I think having more than one progressive candidate is the least of our worries fbc Jan 2015 #110

So you do not think that splitting the progressive vote should be a concern? totodeinhere Jan 2015 #116

I think it would depend on the individual candidates. winter is coming Jan 2015 #120

And it sounds like some folks really don't want that to happen nxylas Jan 2015 #132

It should definitely be a concern. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #133

Run Bernie! fbc Jan 2015 #109

Well, at least he doesn't want to be a spoiler. Beacool Jan 2015 #114

Well that should shut up all the DU Cassandras. Cleita Jan 2015 #115

Doubtful, since Bernie gave an interview about a year ago, hinting at the same thing. winter is coming Jan 2015 #121

See post #107. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2015 #137

Thank you Bernie LynneSin Jan 2015 #117

Run Bernie run. This is no surprise, Bernie has said this all along. Autumn Jan 2015 #119

Good for Bernie. I'd vote for him if he gets the nod! marble falls Jan 2015 #127

Good for him - thinking of the greater good. whatthehey Jan 2015 #134