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djean111

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94. You are aware that I only make that decision for myself, by myself, right?

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:26 AM

Jan 2015

I get to decide for ME. You do not get to decide for anyone but yourself. You really don't. You seem to be under the impression that you get to boss people around or something. Nope.

That "pledge" thing is really getting old and tattered. In addition, why on earth would I care if you call me an "ipso facto independent"?

Facts are on my radar, but evidently history is not on your radar. Hillary is not that great of a campaigner. Fondness for Bill has, I think, faded a bit. When people know that NAFTA and the TTP and other agreements are the reason their jobs are gone - they are not going to blame Ipso Facto Left Leaning Independents. Right now Hillary just has a lot of name recognition, which she had last time. Better watch out for those anomalies!!!!!!

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If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won�t Be as an Independent: �I will not be a spoiler� [View all] pampango Jan 2015 OP

Then here's the chance for Democrats to approach him and assure their backing if he decides to run sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #1

I suspect the Third-Way contingent would work to kill his campaign from within NorthCarolina Jan 2015 #103

Shouldn't he be approaching the Democrats? George II Jan 2015 #122

No, why should he? He is making it clear he is interested in running for the WH, he has now stated sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #128

The Democratic Party, i.e., Barack Obama, has won the last two Presidential elections, and... George II Jan 2015 #136

Those paying attention realized he was never going to be another Nader. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2015 #2

Exactly. But that was a cheap reason to diss him because he is a threat to Hillary. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #91

Good point. bvf Jan 2015 #106

I don't know about that. As recently as September he was saying he could run as EITHER an totodeinhere Jan 2015 #107

I did see that, but I believe that come the actual election time PoliticAverse Jan 2015 #112

But, as has been discussed here before, he said in December 2013 that winter is coming Jan 2015 #138

Unless he feels that he could actually win the general election as a third totodeinhere Jan 2015 #139

Run Bernie Run! nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #3

Go go go go Bernie Sanders!!!!! Run Bernie Run! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #4

+1. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #5

glad to hear it! I know republicans would love to see demigoddess Jan 2015 #6

I thought he was too smart for that.. Cha Jan 2015 #7

I wonder if, sometime in the near future, he and Hillary get together for a private conversation. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #8

It wouldn't do any good...Hillary is Hillary... tokenlib Jan 2015 #9

the ONLY reason Bernie needs to become a Democrat....is.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #10

I take Bernie at his word and am very happy to hear that if he runs (and I hope he does) he JDPriestly Jan 2015 #18

You take Bernie at his word? HOW does that negate what I just said? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #21

He can't run in the primaries if he is not a Democrat. Adrahil Jan 2015 #23

He can run in his OWN primaries.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #24

Ummm... No... Adrahil Jan 2015 #26

Um yes....Indpendent Party he is currently in.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #28

He said he would not run as a spoiler... Adrahil Jan 2015 #31

That is what I am trying to tell YOU....the ONLY reason he NEEDS the Democrats...is M.O.N.E.Y. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #33

No, the main thing isn't the money... thesquanderer Jan 2015 #97

Perhaps you could tell us which positions he holds that are inconsistent with Dem policies. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #34

Perhaps YOU could tell us how he can run in the Democratic Primaries without becoming a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #36

All he has to do is switch his formal affiliation to the Democratic Party. winter is coming Jan 2015 #38

You don't see that as a big deal...however the ONLY reason to do that....is still M.O.N.E.Y. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #40

Actually, visibility would be a good reason. winter is coming Jan 2015 #41

"visibility" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #42

Incorrect...The MAJOR reason to run as a Democrat is to NOT SPLIT THE VOTE, and to unify those that Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #76

How is that inconsistent with Bernie Sanders? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #82

Ballot access is important too Renew Deal Jan 2015 #45

Bottom line...you cannot get elected without money.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #47

Perot ran on his own line in the general election Renew Deal Jan 2015 #51

EXACTLY.....because BERNIE cannot raise the money...PERIOD! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #52

Money and ballot access are not the same. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #55

Yes my friend it takes MONEY......money to buy advertising.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #56

Bernie has no chance Renew Deal Jan 2015 #58

That's called reality! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #60

I don't know why people feel O'Malley would be popular JonLP24 Jan 2015 #83

If Hillary and Biden somehow don't run, voters will likely support O'Malley Renew Deal Jan 2015 #84

Biden would probably be even more unpopular than O'Malley JonLP24 Jan 2015 #86

I saw a poll with Biden and without Hillary that had him in the lead Renew Deal Jan 2015 #87

Most of the people outside of Biden & Hillary are unknown to the American public JonLP24 Jan 2015 #88

He doesn't belong to any political party JonLP24 Jan 2015 #81

Not for money. How much more moeny will he just because he has a D after his name? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #53

How much money do you think it takes to win an election? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #54

How would changing parties give him more money? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #89

because the Democratic party HAS it...geebus! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #90

........ daleanime Jan 2015 #35

Actually, I'm not sure he can get on the ballot in some states without a party affiliation Renew Deal Jan 2015 #44

Perot ran.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #57

In the general election Renew Deal Jan 2015 #59

because he didn't belong to one of the major parties...just like Bernie! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #61

How can you possibly defend the statement that Sen. Sanders does "not belong in one of the major... Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #75

can Hillary run without money? can anyone? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #78

Far from the only reason JonLP24 Jan 2015 #80

*sniff sniff* LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #100

Lol! BeanMusical Jan 2015 #111

Good man, Bernie. Thanks for refusing to 'Nader' the election. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #11

Cool (nt) bigwillq Jan 2015 #12

yes! run, bernie, run! nt hopemountain Jan 2015 #13

So no more Bernie = Nader threads? KamaAina Jan 2015 #14

Now it will probably just turn to the "Bernie is unelectable" talking point. nt NorthCarolina Jan 2015 #104

Oh, right. My bad. KamaAina Jan 2015 #105

Keep up nxylas Jan 2015 #129

Only someone with absolutely no knowledge of Bernie's history NorthCarolina Jan 2015 #130

No need for any as long as he doesn't run a deliberate spoiler vanity boondoggle is there? whatthehey Jan 2015 #135

I believe he would easily get as many votes as Nader and maybe as many as Perot, mountain grammy Jan 2015 #15

Amen.... daleanime Jan 2015 #37

Road trip! Count me in, Grammy! Stardust Jan 2015 #124

You're in, Stardust! mountain grammy Jan 2015 #125

I was on the call PDittie Jan 2015 #16

That's because "Clinton's the next in line," MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #19

"Pushed down our throats"??? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #27

The challengers will not be Sanders or Warren PDittie Jan 2015 #118

Bernie is polling at 4%.....Hillary at 61%.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #25

Color me surprised that you commented on this post. MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #29

So do 61% of Democrats! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #30

Well, that's all good and fine. I too will vote for the candidate. MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #43

The ONLY ones saying "forgone conclusion" or "crowning" etc....are the Left Leaning Independents.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #48

And yet - here you are...... djean111 Jan 2015 #63

Obama had also been a nationally recognized figure for almost 3 years NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #74

Well, Biden was an early favorite in 1988 Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #85

Some people never get tired of performance art. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #39

Performance art would be thinking that you can come from 4% and beat the candidate with 61% VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #50

Do you really think you are helping Hillary with this constant stream of....stuff? djean111 Jan 2015 #64

Constant stream of FACTS? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #65

Facts is not the word I had in mind. djean111 Jan 2015 #66

You don't get to decide IF she is a Democrat...apparently MOST Democrats do believe she is... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #67

You are aware that I only make that decision for myself, by myself, right? djean111 Jan 2015 #94

Interesting in the same post it is understood only the individual decides their affiliation TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #113

She decided that I was not a democrat, I was a left leaning independent. And after thinking about it Autumn Jan 2015 #123

You are SO ipso facto, I am stunned that my dear friend did not bestow an ipso facto on me. Autumn Jan 2015 #126

I think there is an ipso facto tshirt 'n' everything! So sad you did not qualify......nt djean111 Jan 2015 #131

Go Bernie go! MissDeeds Jan 2015 #17

He loves his country tabasco Jan 2015 #20

So...Syriza? moondust Jan 2015 #22

Good for Bernie Andy823 Jan 2015 #32

Campaign for Bernie now, like he's already a Dem, to get a jump on the primaries. nt Zorra Jan 2015 #46

K&R Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #49

I will work for Bernie if he runs. hay rick Jan 2015 #62

exactly Ramses Jan 2015 #70

Sanders seems to have people frightened here. Ramses Jan 2015 #68

And lots of exclamation points. 'Cause if you say it louder, that makes it more true. winter is coming Jan 2015 #69

Left Leaning Independents elevens!!!11111!!!1 Ramses Jan 2015 #72

Careful, dude... Buns_of_Fire Jan 2015 #93

What RESPECT I have for this human. nt UTUSN Jan 2015 #71

Same here MissDeeds Jan 2015 #77

�I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the US..." freshwest Jan 2015 #73

Bernie is a good man and I look forward to the debates. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #79

He's one of the good guys madokie Jan 2015 #92

Of course, that assumes all the Republicans are in the Republican party. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #95

Yep, the only thing standing in the way of democracy is Wall St money. raouldukelives Jan 2015 #96

Yay, Bernie! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #98

Bernie Sanders is actually a realist. MineralMan Jan 2015 #99

I always knew... Paka Jan 2015 #101

K&R nt Duval Jan 2015 #102

My one concern is that if both he and Warren run they could split the anti-Clinton vote and totodeinhere Jan 2015 #108

I think having more than one progressive candidate is the least of our worries fbc Jan 2015 #110

So you do not think that splitting the progressive vote should be a concern? totodeinhere Jan 2015 #116

I think it would depend on the individual candidates. winter is coming Jan 2015 #120

And it sounds like some folks really don't want that to happen nxylas Jan 2015 #132

It should definitely be a concern. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #133

Run Bernie! fbc Jan 2015 #109

Well, at least he doesn't want to be a spoiler. Beacool Jan 2015 #114

Well that should shut up all the DU Cassandras. Cleita Jan 2015 #115

Doubtful, since Bernie gave an interview about a year ago, hinting at the same thing. winter is coming Jan 2015 #121

See post #107. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2015 #137

Thank you Bernie LynneSin Jan 2015 #117

Run Bernie run. This is no surprise, Bernie has said this all along. Autumn Jan 2015 #119

Good for Bernie. I'd vote for him if he gets the nod! marble falls Jan 2015 #127

Good for him - thinking of the greater good. whatthehey Jan 2015 #134