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75. Cruz is a natural born citizen

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:06 PM

Jan 2015

He was one at birth because his mother was a US citizen, so long as she lived in the US the prescribed number of years.

It was right wingers who didn't want that to count as "natural born" though they would admit the person was a citizen at birth. Eligible for everything but being POTUS.

That was what they resorted to when they were the ones at least rational enough to admit President Obama was born in the US. By their own calculations, Cruz should not be a natural born citizen because his father was not born in the US.

Now as to what they would make of his actually being born off US soil, we'll never know, since they will admit to his being a citizen on that ground and claim it goes into the category of natural born, since his mother was born in the US.

They were trying to create two categories of native born US citizens: natural born (both parents born in US) and not-natural born (one parent not born in the US).

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So Elizabeth Warren was a Republican up until 1995. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 OP

I was a Democrat when it was cool. it's not anymore so I went Autumn Jan 2015 #1

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Exactly. n/t 99Forever Jan 2015 #73

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Besides that, she's been feeling the wrath of the GOP for quite a while. That poisons the well. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #106

Except for that time she was a Goldwater Girl ... Myrina Jan 2015 #113

when she was 17 living at home and not old enough to vote OKNancy Jan 2015 #156

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I came and went. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #119

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To an American mother. Codeine Jan 2015 #105

You don't that. Please see the discussion I had with treestar about this, starting around Reply 64. merrily Jan 2015 #108

Idiotic argument. Codeine Jan 2015 #218

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For me, I'm not bothered so much by Warren having voted for Reagan and Bush I YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #97

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I said what I said and I meant it. You, right here, have spoken more clearly of your own Reagan era Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #239

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see AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #250

Senator Warren is not to only one who has Republican Values in her past. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #10

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She's not running. bemildred Jan 2015 #17

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Wow, you can knock me over with a feather! mimi85 Jan 2015 #15

That's how I felt when I found out Reagan was first a Democrat. RiverLover Jan 2015 #22

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I thought Nancy Reagan led Ronny to Republicanism DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #131

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I'm assuming then, that you did not vote for Obama in 2008. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #253

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You should take that up with the OP Mnpaul Jan 2015 #228

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I've always been a Democrat except for a short Independent streak treestar Jan 2015 #27

And she doesn't bash the President JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #33

Not Cruz. Born in Canada. merrily Jan 2015 #52

Right wingers treestar Jan 2015 #59

I am not sure you can be "a natural born citizen" within the meaning of the Constitution if you were merrily Jan 2015 #64

Cruz is a natural born citizen treestar Jan 2015 #75

The only thing the SCOTUS has said so far is nation of birth, though that was dicta, not parents. merrily Jan 2015 #80

Yes, even if eligible treestar Jan 2015 #83

I am not at all sure Lady Mary is a natural born citizen within the meaning of the Constitution. merrily Jan 2015 #87

Depends on when Cora left to reside in the UK permanently treestar Jan 2015 #155

Actually, it depends 100% on how the SCOTUS interprets "natural born citizen." merrily Jan 2015 #163

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Trump was told that during an interview, while he was yelping about Obama. merrily Jan 2015 #78

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An idiot who had a rich dad and knows how to work the bankruptcy system. merrily Jan 2015 #82

and Bernie Sanders the most progressive in the U.S. is an Independent!!! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #28

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It took a hard right turn in 1995? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #40

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I did google dsc Jan 2015 #197

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i put in : hillary clinton top ten reagan ,and didn't get anything about her list of top presidents JI7 Jan 2015 #232

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yah, it's the closest I could get to an exact match. delrem Jan 2015 #256

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uh oh! The OP has been warned by LawdeeDuh! wyldwolf Jan 2015 #57

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well known, not popular. Their stories are of the Nat'l Inquirer type LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #69

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I don't believe anyone all the time. MineralMan Jan 2015 #144

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I'd like to thank you again for that excellent OP with those paragraphs... freshwest Jan 2015 #214

Good thing she has INTEGRITY. Octafish Jan 2015 #51

And Hillary Clinton Was A "Goldwater Girl"... Elizabeth Warren Has Learned The Error Of Her Ways... WillyT Jan 2015 #54

Please see also Reply 72. merrily Jan 2015 #89

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and reagan used to be a democrat. so? unblock Jan 2015 #71

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Please see Reply 72. merrily Jan 2015 #100

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20 effing years ago? ??? 99Forever Jan 2015 #96

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People aren't allowed to evolve politically? Throd Jan 2015 #102

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In 1988, I voted for George H.W.... because I was young and didn't know any better. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #109

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This is how much I care... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #129

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... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #149

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I will support the Democratic candidate in 016 DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #207

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She also claimed to be Native American for quite some time...NT 1bigdude Jan 2015 #110

and how does that measure up to the Sniper story? or voting for people to die? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #152

That was her family lore. It may or may not have been true. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #185

And the Koch candidate ran into the ditch on that. Please consider the source of the attack meme. freshwest Jan 2015 #215

Republican talking points at DU? Mnpaul Jan 2015 #229

... and so was Jim Webb. And Wesley Clark (IIRC). Myrina Jan 2015 #115

I'm not so concerned with what party Warren belonged to 20 years ago, Maedhros Jan 2015 #116

The false Native American claim looks idiotic. Nt 1bigdude Jan 2015 #117

So you believe RW media? RiverLover Jan 2015 #123

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I used to be intractable, absolute, and criticize others for their changing and evolving worldviews LanternWaste Jan 2015 #139

Warren accepted family lore about being part Indian. djean111 Jan 2015 #141

And her family was proven correct. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #171

I actually think that's a big reason why Warren doesn't want to run for Prez Cali_Democrat Jan 2015 #143

To the contrary, it would be a PLUS for her. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #193

Good for her - another triumph of progressive ideology over conservativism. bluedigger Jan 2015 #150

At my first caucus as a Democrat madamesilverspurs Jan 2015 #153

Amen to that davidpdx Jan 2015 #266

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OMG!!1! HappyMe Jan 2015 #161

First, people change, and we allow for that Trajan Jan 2015 #165

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If Robert Byrd can be forgiven for being a senior Klansman Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #174

I have read many of your posts... demmiblue Jan 2015 #175

"I have read many of your posts Elizabeth Warren is a far better representative..." DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #186

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in 1960 I wanted Alfred E. Newman to be president olddots Jan 2015 #177

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Do you have some issue with Senator Warren's work? herding cats Jan 2015 #180

Does this make anyone else miss 1995 republicans? Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #182

No they sucked ass too. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #188

So you see no differences between them and todays teapublicans? Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #219

How old are you? Were you old enough to remember the nutbags who came in with Reagan? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #245

So what? Did she or her husband have "burner phones"? zappaman Jan 2015 #187

good point! One of the fundementals of progressive values is that people must never-ever change Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #189

so what you're saying is, she hasn't been a republican for 20 years 0rganism Jan 2015 #192

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That would be a total waste of Warren. djean111 Jan 2015 #206

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But not as moderate as Ike. mmonk Jan 2015 #210

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The "Fake Native American" Story Will Be More of a Problem daredtowork Jan 2015 #212

She is part Cherokee. Not a fake story. RiverLover Jan 2015 #236

Not arguing whether she is or not daredtowork Jan 2015 #259

Just Read the Article daredtowork Jan 2015 #260

People thought that would hurt her in the senate race too. RiverLover Jan 2015 #268

I'm glad if it didn't daredtowork Jan 2015 #269

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