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el_bryanto

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30. I'm not actually sure it exonerates Pope Francis though

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:22 PM

Jan 2015

While it does give more context, it's still a homophobic stance, particularly when you consider what the people in those African countries are actually arguing for. It's a bit like those neo-Confederates who are convinced that the South fought the Civil War to preserve freedom. In the Civil War they were fighting for the "freedom" to own slaves; in many nations in Africa they are fighting for the "freedom" to discriminate and even execute homosexuals.

I agree with Pope Francis when he says something I agree with, usually on the economy; in this case I have to say he's in the wrong.

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Pope Francis compares pushing gay agenda to �Hitler Youth� indoctrination [View all] edhopper Jan 2015 OP

And he comes down yet another notch. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #1

Same policies edhopper Jan 2015 #2

A bit more compassion for the poor is the only thing really new. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #3

Oh, he comes down a notch - LiberalElite Jan 2015 #4

NO IT FUCKING ISN'T FRANK NuclearDem Jan 2015 #5

What does he believe he is pushing? Democrats still believe it is wise for him to speak to Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #6

Someone needs to take him aside and explain things to him. Baitball Blogger Jan 2015 #7

He says a lot of compassionate things. And then he says this. Avalux Jan 2015 #8

I haven't edhopper Jan 2015 #9

I haven't either. Avalux Jan 2015 #12

He could have a lot of influence on human rights in Uganda, LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #57

Catholics are the largest religious group in Uganda, 43% of the population, another 41% or so is Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #64

He sadi this the day before Holocaust Rememberance Day?! He needs to read what I wrote: Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #10

not surprised in the least. pope photo op is all about image, and nothing more. niyad Jan 2015 #11

+1... SidDithers Jan 2015 #22

To the disfigured believer ChazII Jan 2015 #103

people are so damn anxious to have a reason to adore this guy. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #35

There is no gay agenda herding cats Jan 2015 #13

Bing-Bing-Bing-Bing-Bing-Bing! longship Jan 2015 #54

Well said! LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #58

One-point-oh-oh-one steps forward, one step back. hunter Jan 2015 #14

So exactly WTF is the Gay agenda? I ask my gay friends and they don't know what the agenda is ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #15

I'm pretty sure that the gay agenda is for gay people to be treated just like everyone else FiveGoodMen Jan 2015 #16

What, not something more nefarious? I am crushed! ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #33

Not as far as I can tell. FiveGoodMen Jan 2015 #39

Don't tell.... Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #43

OMG that is horrifying! ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #47

Toasters hedgehog Jan 2015 #68

As in everyone gets a Dualit Toaster? ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #69

It should be explained only if "you get one" over to the gay side. Lol lunasun Jan 2015 #81

OK just how far over to the gay side for the free Dualit toaster? ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #98

Other accounts el_bryanto Jan 2015 #17

Wow. That seems more fact based and reads a LOT different joeglow3 Jan 2015 #20

Never let facts get in the way of a good hatefest. rug Jan 2015 #34

I'm not sure that including feminism in 'things like Nazi propaganda' is any better, though muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #36

I would bet he would acknowledge it. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #37

Have you ever heard what is taught in Catholic schools? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #38

No shit they do in catholic schools. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #42

And the pope was talking about a book on gender theory being kept in school libraries muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #46

You honestly cannot see the difference? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #56

" someone providing ONE option and requiring that one to teach a particular view of God" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #62

Yes. You were discussing aid in your comment joeglow3 Jan 2015 #73

The one form of aid I discussed was providing money for schools muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #74

By that logic, EVERY company that offers a product is giving aid joeglow3 Jan 2015 #75

The school is not a 'product'; it is run as a charity partially funded by the Catholic church muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #82

I am saying it is an alternative to an existing product people can elect to purchase joeglow3 Jan 2015 #99

If the church contributed anything to the funding, then they were aiding it muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #100

Thank you. That IS different. Octafish Jan 2015 #28

I'm not actually sure it exonerates Pope Francis though el_bryanto Jan 2015 #30

Is there a transcript or unedited video of the Pope's remarks? Octafish Jan 2015 #67

I don't know of any - I looked yesterday el_bryanto Jan 2015 #76

Found this from a source in Uganda... Octafish Jan 2015 #106

How is it different? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #48

It's not what he said? Octafish Jan 2015 #63

So, most Catholic sources, including the Vatican, are just as dishonest... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #97

I would like to see the actual tape, even if it's in Spanish. Octafish Jan 2015 #105

it's the comparison to " Hitler youth" that is the problem JI7 Jan 2015 #29

How is this an improvement? This simply expands on the OP... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #49

Please see Post 30. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #61

This garbage, agenda driven site has distorted these remarks to fit their agenda. cbayer Jan 2015 #77

The link in the OP is from a dubious site, but what about this one? PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #95

That is a legitimate article that merits legitimate discussion and criticism. cbayer Jan 2015 #96

And yet again Pope Wonderful's veneer of "niceness" frays, exposing more RCC malevolence. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #18

the pope and catholic church = the ultimate imperial colonizers, fleecing the poor under threat of msongs Jan 2015 #19

You've got it. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #80

Meet the new boss... SidDithers Jan 2015 #21

Where is our resident Pope defender? trumad Jan 2015 #23

that should be edhopper Jan 2015 #25

you're losing me pope lame54 Jan 2015 #24

And yet only the Church elevates Hitler Youth to the papacy. Orsino Jan 2015 #26

who is his source on the Nazi propoganda machine? guillaumeb Jan 2015 #27

Is that the same "Nazi propaganda machine" that MineralMan Jan 2015 #31

I honestly couldn't give two shits whether someone makes a Nazi reference or not. Initech Jan 2015 #32

But of course, no one on DU defends Glenn Beck. That's the difference. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #65

+1 treestar Jan 2015 #71

Have any of you looked at the site linked in the OP? Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #40

Reply #17 edhopper Jan 2015 #41

Right. And homosexuality isn't mentioned by the pope Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #45

Uhm, here's a concise summary of what the Pope is talking about... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #50

Here you go... PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #59

Wow MFrohike Jan 2015 #44

If you would like other sources, here you go... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #51

Doesn't it make you wonder...why isn't the alleged "liberal" media reporting it? Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #52

People like narratives, what I don't understand is how ignorance is used to... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #53

Here's another link for you. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #60

Here's a bit of the LGBT press about it, video and everything. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #66

I wonder if authoritarian organized religions could survive if they didn't create and use Zorra Jan 2015 #92

Irony is Rex Jan 2015 #55

I've read the Bible, Mr. Pope, SIR, and it warns about people like you: Zorra Jan 2015 #70

This is a total distortion of what he actually said and posting this is deceptive. cbayer Jan 2015 #72

How can a theory about gender roles not be about homosexuality in part? Explain that. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #78

Read about it. Find me something that supports this headline. cbayer Jan 2015 #79

GLAAD is the largest LGBT legal advocacy group in the US. They make you sick. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #83

Not going to happen. cbayer Jan 2015 #86

I gave you a link to GLAAD and you say it is not GLAAD? I also offered you Reuters and simply Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #88

Dishonest and deceptive, BNW. You added that link in an edit. cbayer Jan 2015 #89

Yeah, I cited it then went to find the link because YOU were demanding other sources. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #91

Here's from Reuters. Do they also make you sick? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #85

This was a completely separate event and I absolutely object to what he said here. cbayer Jan 2015 #87

You asked for other sources, I gave them to you. You made assertions and I asked you to explain Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #90

So, instead of being just homophobic, he's being transphobic too. Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #94

The right loves to compare the left to Hitler. However, Hitler was as extreme rightist as it gets. merrily Jan 2015 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #93

The "Pope Francis Honeymoon" tis over? n/t fredamae Jan 2015 #101

AND there ends all of my previous support Tsiyu Jan 2015 #102

Does Godwin's Law apply to the Pope? KamaAina Jan 2015 #104