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JonLP24

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133. He mentions "Every one of us who lives in the neighborhood and saw what occurred"

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:36 PM

Jan 2015

Cops have a certain power over an event in describing an event, police reports and even when they don't have to, still insert fiction into them. Residents on the other hand are a different story. Unlike police, they don't have the incentive to protect their asses or write or witness things the same way cops do. Cops are unlikely or even when a cop does (that face abuse from coworkers) to describe what really happened.

If what the poster says is true, more likely the truth is more on the other half towards the residents but either way the truth stays the same no matter who accepts what version.

The last thing any of us knows is what kind of living situation each and everyone of them has (the ones that aren't dead are fine though and unlikely to face any sort of significant punishment) but she certainly had the choice to steal the car or not steal the car. I don't deny that.

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Young woman shot and killed by Denver police in "stolen car" incident. [View all] librechik Jan 2015 OP

Stealing a car was a right of passage for many of us as teens back in the day NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #1

Stealing did not get 840high Jan 2015 #2

First of all, at this point all we have is what the cops told us or the media, and cops lie NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #5

how did his leg get fractured? Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #6

Obviously after the young woman was dead, he took one for the team mythology Jan 2015 #10

He beat it with his throw-down pistol pintobean Jan 2015 #32

I'll take the story at face value 840high Jan 2015 #13

Why do you support summary execution of assaulting an officer Taitertots Jan 2015 #62

He responded to violence against him. 840high Jan 2015 #65

He shot her in revenge rather than because he was in danger? Thanks for clarifying. nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #73

If someone rammed me with 840high Jan 2015 #98

my, you get my heart all aflutter. what a man! nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #101

I am a woman - sure hope 840high Jan 2015 #112

shooting someone after they run you over is "surviving in the face of violence", even if it was acci uppityperson Jan 2015 #122

This was deliberate. Of course if 840high Jan 2015 #123

Killing people who ram you is a crime. Don't want to be dead - don't do Oh wait... Taitertots Jan 2015 #140

You may be right. cpwm17 Jan 2015 #99

Two teens here in Mesa in 2000 JonLP24 Jan 2015 #129

Stealing? Or borrowing your parents' without telling them? Brickbat Jan 2015 #11

Both, my brother borrowed from our parents and paid hell for it and he stole NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #23

I had some wild times as a kid. cwydro Jan 2015 #57

So you never stole anything in your life? NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #58

I said I never stole a car. cwydro Jan 2015 #60

When I was 12 I stole a pair 840high Jan 2015 #115

Are you implying that stealing a candy bar is the same as running over a police officer? Travis_0004 Jan 2015 #131

Or any other human, for that matter......? WillowTree Jan 2015 #143

Not in my neck of 840high Jan 2015 #14

I think this says more about you than you imagine it does. X_Digger Jan 2015 #19

Oh we can keep it RIGHT HERE for everybody to see, I know OUTSPOKEN liberals are NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #22

don't be angry be happy! snooper2 Jan 2015 #86

I was extremely happy when I wrote that...i am not the one pretending to be a saint NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #93

PS Lets see, I have not stolen a car, have you? NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #24

Ooh, apparently I struck a nerve. Who'da thunk it. X_Digger Jan 2015 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #146

ahh, the OLE "struck a nerve" ploy when you have nothing else to say, so as to make NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #147

You get on with your bad self. Argue with what you think folks say. lol. n/t X_Digger Jan 2015 #148

Most people don't steal. Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2015 #141

As does your focus on it. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #25

Well, aren't you special to do that? I've never met anyone that was ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2015 #39

i don't think it says that much about him/her at all. samsingh Jan 2015 #89

Grand theft is not a right of passage for many of us as teens. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #55

Stealing a car was a right of passage trumad Jan 2015 #77

I would never disclose that, there are many people on the internet, probably right here at DU NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #92

My spidey senses are telling me the KC area. pintobean Jan 2015 #102

Are you trying to out me? Why would you do that? NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #109

Cut the guy some slack. He's just gonna borrow your car for a bit. name not needed Jan 2015 #120

He reminds me of someone pintobean Jan 2015 #126

If you're right REP Jan 2015 #127

"Stealing a car was a right of passage for many of us as teens back in the day" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #79

So it's not about justice so much as your ability to commit felonies without interference. name not needed Jan 2015 #118

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #124

Stealing a car H. Cromwell Jan 2015 #3

"Purposely" is the issue here. Did the 17 yr old do this on purpose or panicked accidentally? uppityperson Jan 2015 #75

either way... H. Cromwell Jan 2015 #103

that broken leg for not appear to have been broken. Today's articles say injured. uppityperson Jan 2015 #104

well my take Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #4

xcatly 840high Jan 2015 #119

Yep, some folk INSTANTLY believe anything and everything a cop says, and some dont NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #7

Yep. The cop broke his own leg in order to be able COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #8

do you really buy the notion that the girl deliberately tried to hurt the officer? librechik Jan 2015 #9

I've been a lawyer for more than 25 years and COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #12

that is simply librechik Jan 2015 #17

The most practical way of defending oneself is to jump out of the way. hunter Jan 2015 #31

The only practical way to avoid getting run over is kill the driver? How about getting out of the uppityperson Jan 2015 #76

Certainly not every case of assault by auto COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #80

I'd much rather suffer a broken leg than shoot someone. hunter Jan 2015 #106

Because that's his/her job. pintobean Jan 2015 #108

Hostile encounters like this happen every day in U.S. high school parking lots... hunter Jan 2015 #137

High school students are running over other people with stolen cars on a daily basis? Ace Rothstein Jan 2015 #144

You're assuming that the only consequence to the COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #111

I'm an anarchist. In my not-so-humble opinion the police should be disbanded. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #83

I do not see anything about a broken leg in today's reports of this. Just "injured" uppityperson Jan 2015 #95

The severity of the injury is immaterial. The driver drove the car at someone. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #97

and today's reports do not indicate a fractured leg. 1st reports often are inaccurate uppityperson Jan 2015 #100

Again, the severity of the injury is immaterial. The driver drove at another person. That qualifies Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #107

maybe there isn't time to get out of the way? treestar Jan 2015 #116

if there is time, is the only practical way to kill the driver? uppityperson Jan 2015 #117

Deliberate. 840high Jan 2015 #16

You were THERE, REALLY! NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #27

Were you? nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #29

NO, neither have I claimed what happened, only unwilling to instantly believe every word NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #30

In the world where adults live, there is evidence and its preponderance. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #33

You dont even realize what you are saying, if you did maybe you would think twice NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #34

So, you got nothing. Fine. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #35

Stop it, you are embarrassing yourself... you are INSISTING that unless I was THERE i MUST accept NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #36

I actually think you have that wrong Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #37

LOL look who it is!!! I have to comment now before I am locked out for being too liberal NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #38

whatever Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #44

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #41

or break a leg Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #47

You're not merely questioning authority treestar Jan 2015 #113

Why is it better to claim the cop is always the one lying? treestar Jan 2015 #114

I was there and you have no clue whatyou are talking about TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #45

Let's see how it plays out. The truth is usually in the middle of the extremes. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #48

Were you there AS it happened, WHILE it was happening, or AFTER it happened? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #72

thanks for your posts. Would you know of a link to this from today? uppityperson Jan 2015 #78

Were you? 840high Jan 2015 #66

And the cop....... WillowTree Jan 2015 #59

the cop's leg is NOT broken TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #42

The link clearly says cwydro Jan 2015 #68

facts get convoluted ............... NM_Birder Jan 2015 #84

So his leg is not fractured? cwydro Jan 2015 #87

I was pulling your leg a little bit, ........ bah duuum bump ! NM_Birder Jan 2015 #94

Doesn't matter. NM_Birder Jan 2015 #82

Some folks INSTANTLY make up stuff. 840high Jan 2015 #15

Now other comments I am getting are making more sense...got it NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #26

If you try to run cops over with your car, they're probably going to shoot you. chrisa Jan 2015 #18

Are you saying the car wasn't stolen? kiva Jan 2015 #20

Fun with quotation marks. Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #21

look--we don't "know" the car was stolen by those kids--that would have to be determined in court librechik Jan 2015 #70

True, we don't "know" the car was stolen by those kids. Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #71

How do I know I'm on "DU"? kiva Jan 2015 #134

Here's how I know if I'm on DU. Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #135

Is that fried chicken coated in cornflakes? kiva Jan 2015 #136

Let me ram a car into you and let's see if you try to defend yourself. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #28

what an amazingly reprehensible post TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #40

Maybe you should be a cop. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #43

Another clueless arrogant post TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #49

Seeing "the immediatie aftermath" and seeing what actually happened are two different things. WillowTree Jan 2015 #64

He mentions "Every one of us who lives in the neighborhood and saw what occurred" JonLP24 Jan 2015 #133

I've seen a lot of stories about cops killing drivers who hit or rolled toward them. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #51

As it should, under certain circumstances. Oklahoma_Liberal Jan 2015 #149

Thank you. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #46

So were you an eyewitness or earwitness to the actual shooting? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #50

earwitness to the shots and TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #53

...and I want to be clear about something else, too TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #54

Excellent post. Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #52

I have a question. herding cats Jan 2015 #61

wow. Thank you so much for this thoughtful (and fortuitous) post, Sarcastinator librechik Jan 2015 #69

" I saw the immediate aftermath" = NM_Birder Jan 2015 #74

She was 17 not 16 so automatically everything else you wrote is suspect snooper2 Jan 2015 #96

+10 840high Jan 2015 #121

I've had worse shit thrown at me. hunter Jan 2015 #138

My first thought is: Why didn't the cop move out of the way? Taitertots Jan 2015 #56

stealing cars and running into cops with said stolen car ? NM_Birder Jan 2015 #91

We send car thieves to jail. That's common sense. Taitertots Jan 2015 #105

you seemed to have missed the point, not surprised NM_Birder Jan 2015 #125

I believe that's called "victim blaming". n/t hughee99 Jan 2015 #110

Anti-cop hysteria underground LittleBlue Jan 2015 #63

.... 840high Jan 2015 #67

Cops in the U.S.A. need to clean up their act. hunter Jan 2015 #139

"The statistics are pretty damned clear." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #145

The people who say we are anti-police when we decry cops murdering unarmed civilians Chemisse Jan 2015 #81

you say 14, the article says 17, and an earshot witness in "the immediate aftermath" says 16 NM_Birder Jan 2015 #85

it sounds like she tried to run the cops over and hit one of them. samsingh Jan 2015 #88

UPDATE: Prosecutors promise probe librechik Jan 2015 #90

Joyriding libodem Jan 2015 #128

no, assault with a deadly weapon is potentially deadly magical thyme Jan 2015 #142

"the teen driving the car drove into one of the police officers, fracturing his leg." Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #132