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120. lol, you got nothing but lies. Yup, lol,

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Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:34 AM

Jan 2015

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Why The "H" Is Obama Pushing TPP?. It Will Destroy Any Legacy He Has. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Jan 2015 OP

Not going to destroy his legacy...All presidents do some shit not everybody likes NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #1

Bill Clinton already did that, bvar22 Jan 2015 #130

He doesn't work for us. Maedhros Jan 2015 #2

Got it in one. nt truebluegreen Jan 2015 #81

Don't fall for the hype....that man holds his cards close to his vest... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #3

So Obama (and Hillary) are lying when they say this is the best thing evah! and djean111 Jan 2015 #6

do you have quotes? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #8

Did you listen to the State of the Union? Armstead Jan 2015 #33

Yes I did every word..... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #35

So, your position is that you think the President is/was lying about his support for this deal? Dragonfli Jan 2015 #37

I just said my position... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #41

I got it, you think he is lying based on how you judged his past behavior after contrary statements. Dragonfli Jan 2015 #49

No you don't "got it" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #50

How about I just take him at his word since you provide nothing at all to convince me Dragonfli Jan 2015 #57

Well Done. bvar22 Jan 2015 #131

I usually don't engage these days, but the poster's position was ridiculous Dragonfli Jan 2015 #135

"the posters tone was as confrontational as her argument was weak" LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #158

So you are willing to support Obama even though he is acting like a INdemo Jan 2015 #69

Let me see if I got this right... AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #150

It amazes me that people ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #36

The reason is 1Strong.....because they have a preconceived opinion of the man for whatever reason VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #39

Your explanation is simply preposterous Jim Lane Jan 2015 #80

See - I'm gonna start agreeing with them JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #123

That amazes me also Andy823 Jan 2015 #127

and yet the naysayers do it over and over. Sheepshank Jan 2015 #149

"TPP......should benefit American businesses and workers." Hillary Clinton Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #43

and what are the higher standards if implemented and enforced? Do you know? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #45

You asked for a quote, you got one. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #48

That one cracks me up. Marr Jan 2015 #56

That tactic is in the Disruption Playbook. That's why I did not answer the djean111 Jan 2015 #97

Anyway the wind blows>January 14, 2015 fredamae Jan 2015 #153

All I hear is "Have faith. You don't need the truth." nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #133

OH and by the way.....about Hillary and NAFTA for the record... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #47

And, she's backing the TPP as she backed Bush's wars. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #51

Just Like i said...you cannot connect dots! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #53

Hype? What hype? There are a lot of intellegent people that have come out with rhett o rick Jan 2015 #132

I doubt he's concerned about his legacy. The corporations want this and isn't Autumn Jan 2015 #4

thats what YOU think.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #10

Oh that's what it means! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #17

No that is not what I said it means...it means...if you cannot pledge to vote for whomever VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #22

I don't think you know Democrats very well. We don't ever walk in lock-step. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #134

Why do YOU think that there are no Democrats that are Left? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #24

I will proudly wear the mantle of LLI that you my dear friend have bestowed on me. Autumn Jan 2015 #20

its not an endearment believe me! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #21

I disagree with you my dear friend. It is an endearment you have bestowed on me. Autumn Jan 2015 #25

I am the one that said it....I think I know what I meant.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #26

Ah my dear friend, don't be confused. I am well aware of the honor you have bestowed on me. Autumn Jan 2015 #27

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An epithet that you dearest Nilla have bestowed on me. Autumn Jan 2015 #30

I don't bestow....I just tell the truth. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #31

Yes indeed you do dearest Nilla. Are you perchance a psychic? If so I would so dearly Autumn Jan 2015 #32

I bow BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #68

"LEAN LEFT aspirant Jan 2015 #90

Can you be any more condescending? elias7 Jan 2015 #74

But intentional insults aren't, apparently. Marr Jan 2015 #76

Yes I can be very much more condescending. I have pet peeves of my own. Autumn Jan 2015 #104

Another bravura performance! The crowd is going wild! Buns_of_Fire Jan 2015 #92

The Democratic debates would be doable on my behalf. Autumn Jan 2015 #111

Let a great American writer shed some light on this. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #63

The dig isn't assimple as ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #73

I agree with your position but not with VR's. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #75

How so ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #77

Finding a Republican better than the Democrat -- very rare, but not impossible. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #79

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #96

Sorry Jim, I will never take a loyalty oath. That's just how I am. Autumn Jan 2015 #113

I quite agree and I'm sure Bierce would, too. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #145

Yes. He's looking out 840high Jan 2015 #82

I hope he saves himself from himself. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #5

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. 99Forever Jan 2015 #7

ALL? So NOTHING Obama has done is any good, NOTHING? NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jan 2015 #11

this is what you said NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jan 2015 #13

Uh huh...or else you could just admit that your comment was way too harsh about our Prez NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #14

Thank you 99Forever. truedelphi Jan 2015 #87

From what I can see, he thinks it is a great idea that will help Americans. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #15

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #40

So he has announced that as his reason? Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #44

It's in the US Trade Representative website ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #54

That's standard neoliberal claptrap. Marr Jan 2015 #59

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #62

I don't think that Obama-skeptic expected an answer. heh... eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #67

Maybe he hasn't read it, either. PADemD Jan 2015 #58

there is no way in hell he actually believes that Skittles Jan 2015 #83

there is not way to tell if it is really vast governmental conspiracy Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #86

TPTB want it badly. hifiguy Jan 2015 #16

+1 Yep....that's the way I see it too. I feel snappyturtle Jan 2015 #102

Let's just sit on sidelines and let other countries get a leg up. Hoyt Jan 2015 #18

It's not abouit other countries or us -- It's about civil society vs. Big Money Corporations Armstead Jan 2015 #34

I think you are misinterpreting all the conspiracy fears. Hoyt Jan 2015 #46

You should educate yourself. Maedhros Jan 2015 #72

Those same folks were telling us Obama was going to approve the pipeline, gut social security, and Hoyt Jan 2015 #85

You have to look at the trees to see the forest Armstead Jan 2015 #98

Actually, even folks like Paul Krugman think folks are blaming NAFTA for stuff caused by other Hoyt Jan 2015 #103

I don't think they would have been worse. Instead NAFTA made the worse easier to accomplish. Armstead Jan 2015 #125

Protecting the status quo, or preparing domestic economy for the future? I lean toward latter in a Hoyt Jan 2015 #126

Criticism of the TPP is based upon leaked documents showing that actual "trade provisions" Maedhros Jan 2015 #136

Have you read and understood the entire document, and factored in all the parts that aren't Hoyt Jan 2015 #140

Of course not. Maedhros Jan 2015 #141

It ain't finished. When it is, you and I can read it. Chill out. Hoyt Jan 2015 #142

That has been the man's pattern. n/t. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #42

Same reason Clinton pushed Nafta and repeal of banking laws. $$$ n2doc Jan 2015 #19

OBAMA and every single one of the Centrist Dems are not the truedelphi Jan 2015 #23

And he will be VERY handsomely rewarded if TPP goes through. hifiguy Jan 2015 #29

LOL Egnever Jan 2015 #38

+10. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #78

+100 JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #129

So now Obama is evil. Got it. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #55

No actually the Pew Survey and polls on Americans take on the 2 big money parties truedelphi Jan 2015 #71

Sorry, but the "two parties are the same" is a right-wing meme designed to depress turnout NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #84

And the Pew Survey shows that Democrats support TPP much more than republicans do. pampango Jan 2015 #95

I suspect he knows what is in it and does not think it will "flush the working class down the toilet pampango Jan 2015 #52

He doesn't agree. treestar Jan 2015 #60

The major contributors to his campaigns were the finance industry rurallib Jan 2015 #61

because he knows the brainless high-fiving "Obama knocks out/huge win/OUTFLANKS" headlines will be MisterP Jan 2015 #64

now we've got DUers telling us TPP *HAS* to be great for Americans BECAUSE Obama is pushing it Skittles Jan 2015 #93

Call your representative and senators tomorrow and tell them NO on TPP / Fast Track / TPA StopTheTPP Jan 2015 #65

That's exactly what I think Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #66

The whole deal is brazen Oligarch's gone wild 90-percent Jan 2015 #70

Ir's so obvious. NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #88

I have no idea why he is pushing this JonLP24 Jan 2015 #89

The fact is ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #91

Becasue it is what his backers and who he really supports wants. ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #94

The "trade" part of this thing is only five chapters or so. Out of 28 or 29. djean111 Jan 2015 #99

"Like tying a cement block to the feet of a drowning man" 90-percent Jan 2015 #100

Yes...from even the little we know from Wikileaks..Thom nails it. KoKo Jan 2015 #105

Thanks for posting this, TH is the best, and he's right. A couple years ago he mentioned looking appalachiablue Jan 2015 #159

First African American POTUS. No one and nothing will or can take that legacy. merrily Jan 2015 #101

I will note your concern. Pisces Jan 2015 #106

Now that republicans control the house and senate, it will pass easily and B Calm Jan 2015 #107

If Democrats didn't get a clue after the passage of the ACA.. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #108

Thanks to ACA my wife and I were able to retire at age 62. B Calm Jan 2015 #109

When did you plan on retiring? NCTraveler Jan 2015 #112

Originally I planned to retire at age 55, but thanks to NAFTA the cellophane plant I was working B Calm Jan 2015 #121

No, the fear about it is as overblown as Ross Perot's "Great Sucking Sound" Recursion Jan 2015 #110

Your claims here were thoroughly debunked last time you made them. closeupready Jan 2015 #115

No, but I acknowledge that you keep claiming that Recursion Jan 2015 #116

You'd take the 1990s economy, but even more inequality than we have now, i.e., Calcutta. closeupready Jan 2015 #117

Nope. Nice dig against Indians, though! Recursion Jan 2015 #118

lol, you got nothing but lies. Yup, lol, closeupready Jan 2015 #120

I agree, but that don't stop the same 2 posters (who work overseas) from posting it over and over B Calm Jan 2015 #124

Please stop crapping on Recursion. joshcryer Jan 2015 #143

I will not be silenced from refuting right wing arguments presented by DU members here. closeupready Jan 2015 #144

No, you just want to silence others with petty insults. joshcryer Jan 2015 #148

Bye-bye! closeupready Jan 2015 #154

Oh good. joshcryer Jan 2015 #157

Perot's "giant sucking sound" may be the republican sound bite most quoted by Democrats. pampango Jan 2015 #128

He wants trade to be governed by our rules, rather than China's. Calista241 Jan 2015 #114

A voice of reason. Thank goodness. We can't just sit on our rears and watch the world pass us by, Hoyt Jan 2015 #146

It makes one wonder what the discussion really is within the establishment. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #119

Maybe he wants to destroy it? JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #122

11-dimensional chess dictates that he is secretly against it. mattclearing Jan 2015 #137

Side by side of Obama's SOTU address and what's in the TPP. Feron Jan 2015 #138

Still wating for YOUR explanation ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #139

I don't believe he is doing that. Nor do I believe he will endorse a bad deal if that is what Hoyt Jan 2015 #147

You think trade is why Congress refuses to raise the Federal minimum wage? Sunlei Jan 2015 #151

Money, Wall Street/Corporate Wants, Congress Gives fredamae Jan 2015 #152

LOL tridim Jan 2015 #155

Did I name Any POTUS? fredamae Jan 2015 #156

K&R StopTheTPP Jan 2015 #160