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Orrex

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21. The problems you cite won't be corrected by leeching money from public schools
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jan 2015

Nor will they be improved by having charter schools cherrypick the better-performing students while excluding the more challenging students, as is a common practice.

Incidentally, creationists also love to push their agenda in schools by singing the praises of "competition" and "choice," so you should be conscious of the way your arguments resonate with the slogans of those groups, too.

I am afraid there are far too many families and children trapped by circumstance in schools and districts where mediocrity is accepted as the status quo, and any challenge to it must be quelled.
That's a slogan taken straight out of the privatization playbook. And I guarantee you with 100% certainty that charter schools don't welcome "challenges to the status quo" nearly as readily as you seem to believe.

No doubt they accept "challenges" of a certain type and within a certain framework, but they're profit-generating machines that don't, ultimately, tolerate challenges to the bottom line. Under-performing students will be booted back to the public schools, and the charters will re-declare the superduper achievements of the students who survive the cut.

The single biggest predictor of educational success is parental involvement in the schools, and that is where charter schools have the huge advantage over regular public schools: They often require that parents volunteer their time.
That's another lovely slogan, but it's simply a formula for restricting access to this much-touted resource. You claim to advocate for children "trapped by circumstances," but you're simply not seeing reality: A single mother with two jobs and a brilliant child won't be able to volunteer at the school, so her child will be excluded.

You're arguing, in effect, that it's ok to trap low-income children in very circumstances of mediocrity that you claim to decry.


Parents who wish to enroll their children in private schools with distinguished records of performance are free and welcome to do so, but neither they nor the charter schools have any business stealing money from public schools in order to subsidize that effort.




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This: chervilant Jan 2015 #1
I think there are probably quite a few unacknowledged reasons. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #2
They've found a way to transplant the "Christian Academies" of the post-integration Deep South hatrack Jan 2015 #3
The charter school here in my small town YarnAddict Jan 2015 #4
Well done sir or madame jehop61 Jan 2015 #6
Thank you! YarnAddict Jan 2015 #7
No, it's not the "truth". Darb Jan 2015 #34
your precious anecdotal story aside m-lekktor Jan 2015 #11
You don't like my "precious" anecdote YarnAddict Jan 2015 #14
You have no solutions and could not care less about one. Darb Jan 2015 #35
seems it was the charter that failed ND-Dem Jan 2015 #46
The charter school failed YarnAddict Jan 2015 #49
Can you name me a single for-profit charter school, anywhere in the US? Recursion Jan 2015 #32
are you kidding? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #47
Charter Schools were never intended to provide a quality alternative to public education Orrex Jan 2015 #5
Competition is good YarnAddict Jan 2015 #8
That's a red herring. Orrex Jan 2015 #10
What is the more important question, IMHO, YarnAddict Jan 2015 #13
The problems you cite won't be corrected by leeching money from public schools Orrex Jan 2015 #21
That poster does not want a solution, just seems to want to spew Darb Jan 2015 #36
Charter schools most places are filled by lottery. Hard to cherry pick that. Recursion Jan 2015 #38
None of what you've written refutes anything in the OP Orrex Jan 2015 #40
Big Profits in Not-for-Profit Charter Schools ND-Dem Jan 2015 #48
Charter schools have comparable results with much poorer and less-white students Recursion Jan 2015 #9
As long as they don't siphon any money from public schools, then more power to them Orrex Jan 2015 #15
Charter schools are public schools Recursion Jan 2015 #16
They are profit-generating machines in the guise of public schools Orrex Jan 2015 #24
Well, no; I'm pretty sure in every jurisdiction they are required to be not-for-profit Recursion Jan 2015 #26
Where does the money go? Orrex Jan 2015 #29
Where does it go in neighborhood schools? Mostly salaries, maintenance, and transportation Recursion Jan 2015 #30
Public schools have to foot the bill for a lot of services leeched by charter schools Orrex Jan 2015 #33
Public schools using public resources is "theft"? Recursion Jan 2015 #39
Charter schools moving in and usurping scant resources is, effectively, theft Orrex Jan 2015 #41
Quality public education Recursion Jan 2015 #42
That answer is meaningless. Orrex Jan 2015 #43
Odd thing to "learn" since I don't think either of those are true Recursion Jan 2015 #44
This is exactly my problem with charter schools. HappyMe Jan 2015 #17
They have those... GummyBearz Jan 2015 #31
I don't disagree with your list about charter schools, however, when you can't afford private school Pisces Jan 2015 #12
Anyone who touts charters for "the poors" Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #18
Or look at DC, where they educate 45% of the students Recursion Jan 2015 #19
How is that at all responsive to my post, Recursion? Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #20
No, but I tutored at multiple schools in DC back when I lived there Recursion Jan 2015 #22
I asked if you'd walked around the physical buildings in Oakland Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #23
And I'm asking if you've walked around the charters in DC Recursion Jan 2015 #25
Let me know when you're back for a visit, Recursion. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #27
You too! Recursion Jan 2015 #28
Fictitious dichotomy? chervilant Jan 2015 #37
k&r... spanone Jan 2015 #45
YAY! Anti-union, anti-public education posters on DU!! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #50
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