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Bluenorthwest

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246. Try to wrap your head around this: I don't care about Hillary. If she gets the nomination

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 11:50 AM

Jan 2015

I'll vote for her, same as Warren. At this point, neither have my Primary support because both are to my right on issues that matter to me.
But I sure agree with you as being anti coronation, I am a huge Primary supporter, I support the Primary. My favorite of the potentials is Bernie, but I'm a gay liberal, my Primary choices usually do not get the nomination, by usually I mean never. Not even once.
If I am considering a primary candidate, I will grill the fuck out of that person. If I think they might win, I will instantly begin to advocate my positions to them and to their boosters. When I have to support a candidate that has views I detest, as I did for Obama in 08 when he was opposed to marriage equality, I will never let up on that detested view, and frankly that worked out great with Obama. Obama's early supporters on DU still hold it against me that I advocated for my community to the candidate I thought would win rather than pretending to agree with him. I don't give a fuck, he got elected, his views moved to where I wanted them, that's what politics is for.

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So Elizabeth Warren was a Republican up until 1995. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 OP

I was a Democrat when it was cool. it's not anymore so I went Autumn Jan 2015 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #2

Ha! City Lights Jan 2015 #11

hee hee LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #14

Exactly. n/t 99Forever Jan 2015 #73

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Jan 2015 #91

Welcome to DU, and yes, Warren actually became a Democrat, and was one during the most uncool times sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #94

Besides that, she's been feeling the wrath of the GOP for quite a while. That poisons the well. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #106

Except for that time she was a Goldwater Girl ... Myrina Jan 2015 #113

when she was 17 living at home and not old enough to vote OKNancy Jan 2015 #156

LOL! Shhhh...don't remind them of that it drives em crazy! Rex Jan 2015 #221

Thsts not true! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #203

Saying "She(he)'s changed" has become something of a canard these days. randome Jan 2015 #3

I wasn't officially a Democrat until 2008 tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #4

I came and went. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #119

I considered myself a Democrat before then tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #124

How precisely, is it convenient? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #5

It's not convenient to be a Republican when your boss and all your clients are one? /NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #8

How about - don't tell your boss and your clients about your politics? brooklynite Jan 2015 #53

That's good advice but sometimes it's unavoidable./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #61

How so? Throd Jan 2015 #99

You're sitting at a table at a nice banquet and the other diners start braying... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #112

In similar circumstances, I just held my opinion. Throd Jan 2015 #132

Depended on the circumstances. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #142

You can rebut the first two with facts, without saying you are a Democrat. merrily Jan 2015 #140

Reagan era, Warren and I both made great money, most of mine got spent trying to plug the holes Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #126

I can relate. There were 4 other high school students who did not support Ike Eisenhower. jwirr Jan 2015 #6

Stevenson was once told hfojvt Jan 2015 #37

A brilliant man, ahead of his time. merrily Jan 2015 #43

And funny too but I'm not sad I missed the fifties./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #49

I don't know if he was consistently funny, but I think he was consistently brilliant. merrily Jan 2015 #56

Thats probably one reason why Stevenson chose Estes Kefauver as his running mate in 1956 Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #231

Very interesting. If I ever knew his running mate's name, I'd forgotten. merrily Jan 2015 #235

Interesting story about the Underground Railroad Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #263

Thanks, and interesting connections among Gore, Sr., LBJ and Kefauver. merrily Jan 2015 #264

LOL Thank you for that. jwirr Jan 2015 #62

Enjoy President Cruz n/t n2doc Jan 2015 #7

Not possible without a Constitutional amendment, which ain't happening. Born in Canada, he was. merrily Jan 2015 #48

To an American mother. Codeine Jan 2015 #105

You don't that. Please see the discussion I had with treestar about this, starting around Reply 64. merrily Jan 2015 #108

Idiotic argument. Codeine Jan 2015 #218

As a progressive, I spend... Whiskeytide Jan 2015 #9

For me, I'm not bothered so much by Warren having voted for Reagan and Bush I YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #97

I can't really disagree with that... Whiskeytide Jan 2015 #104

OK, so you took a swipe at Warren's (supposed) supporters demwing Jan 2015 #135

I feel the exact same way about the Neo-Cons in the Democratic Party... bvar22 Jan 2015 #195

You don't know how she voted & she hasn't said. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #223

Her boosters want her to be President, so she should be able to address any and all concerns about Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #114

That's fair enough... Whiskeytide Jan 2015 #159

Wow JonLP24 Jan 2015 #230

I said what I said and I meant it. You, right here, have spoken more clearly of your own Reagan era Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #239

You don't know how she voted & she hasn't said. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #224

I don't support Hillary Clinton. I support Bernie Sanders. Why would she be a Republican and not Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #240

see AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #250

Senator Warren is not to only one who has Republican Values in her past. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #10

That's a fair point but it still leaves us with problems. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #13

She's not running. bemildred Jan 2015 #17

I think you take your username too seriously. randome Jan 2015 #18

My mom played this every birthday DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #23

Those problems are nothing compared to the latest Bill and the sex jet story. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #21

It leaves YOU with problems. Not "us". djean111 Jan 2015 #36

Well aren't you precious... Johnyawl Jan 2015 #12

If you don't believe we should demand a higher and different level of consistency from our leaders.. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #16

Well, if you want someone that consisently sides with Wall Street then all by means support Hillary. Broward Jan 2015 #24

Wow, you can knock me over with a feather! mimi85 Jan 2015 #15

That's how I felt when I found out Reagan was first a Democrat. RiverLover Jan 2015 #22

And there is the Warren Double Standard. Hillary was never a Republican, her parents were and Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #121

I thought Nancy Reagan led Ronny to Republicanism DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #131

Gosh no, she was 'casting' basically. Jane was liberal and needed replacing. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #244

I want people here to know you are purposefully AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #225

I don't support Hillary Clinton. I support Bernie Sanders. I did not support Hillary last time Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #241

I don't give a crap about any of that. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #249

I'm assuming then, that you did not vote for Obama in 2008. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #253

Actually, no Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #181

You should take that up with the OP Mnpaul Jan 2015 #228

Oh by all means Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #255

Ah, the puerile expectation of perfection. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #19

I didn't know the pursuit of perfection is childish and nowhere did I even demand it./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #25

You cast stones at her for not being you. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #31

And the Clintons acted like Republicans...(and still do when it comes to Corporate Power) Armstead Jan 2015 #20

The only Democrats who seem to fit in my suburb of Orlando are Baitball Blogger Jan 2015 #26

I voted in Seminole County DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #42

Yup. Baitball Blogger Jan 2015 #98

Lake is redder, Orange and Volusia are blue. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #154

I've always been a Democrat except for a short Independent streak treestar Jan 2015 #27

And she doesn't bash the President JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #33

Not Cruz. Born in Canada. merrily Jan 2015 #52

Right wingers treestar Jan 2015 #59

I am not sure you can be "a natural born citizen" within the meaning of the Constitution if you were merrily Jan 2015 #64

Cruz is a natural born citizen treestar Jan 2015 #75

The only thing the SCOTUS has said so far is nation of birth, though that was dicta, not parents. merrily Jan 2015 #80

Yes, even if eligible treestar Jan 2015 #83

I am not at all sure Lady Mary is a natural born citizen within the meaning of the Constitution. merrily Jan 2015 #87

Depends on when Cora left to reside in the UK permanently treestar Jan 2015 #155

Actually, it depends 100% on how the SCOTUS interprets "natural born citizen." merrily Jan 2015 #163

Thop it thumper! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #68

Trump was told that during an interview, while he was yelping about Obama. merrily Jan 2015 #78

Love it! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #79

An idiot who had a rich dad and knows how to work the bankruptcy system. merrily Jan 2015 #82

and Bernie Sanders the most progressive in the U.S. is an Independent!!! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #28

She was not an elected official until 2012 krispos42 Jan 2015 #29

It took a hard right turn in 1995? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #40

The first time conservatives had the House in decades was in 1995 krispos42 Jan 2015 #45

I don't know how old you are but the 80s were a dark time for those on the left. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #55

Hillary put Reagan on her list of 10 best Presidents in all of US history. merrily Jan 2015 #60

I would like a link for that dsc Jan 2015 #166

Google Hillary 2007 2008 List Ten Best Presidents See how easy it is to find a link merrily Jan 2015 #178

I did google dsc Jan 2015 #197

Depending on wording, I got between over 11 million and over 57 million hits, as one might expect merrily Jan 2015 #200

i put in : hillary clinton top ten reagan ,and didn't get anything about her list of top presidents JI7 Jan 2015 #232

I got this result (took approx 5 minutes search) delrem Jan 2015 #233

Thank you, but that is the not the story I recall. The story I recall included a list of merrily Jan 2015 #234

yah, it's the closest I could get to an exact match. delrem Jan 2015 #256

No worries. That she mentioned Bush 42 and Reagan merrily Jan 2015 #257

Yes, this issue is at distraction level. delrem Jan 2015 #258

BTW, did you try clicking on the link? merrily Jan 2015 #247

He was certainly one of the most effective. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2015 #243

The only difference between the 80's and 90's.... Armstead Jan 2015 #103

And, indeed, Reagan's victory was what facilitated take over of the Dem Party by DLCers. merrily Jan 2015 #125

Nearly forty. krispos42 Jan 2015 #162

the gop of the 80's literally laughed at AIDS dsc Jan 2015 #58

Please see Reply 60. merrily Jan 2015 #72

When asked about Warren's past history, her boosters first dismiss it then attack Hillary's past Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #137

Can one really "safely assume" that Hillary did not vote for Reagan? Why? Please see Reply 72. merrily Jan 2015 #145

I will vote for anybody with a (D) after their name even if they were an (R) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #191

When I said "can't vote for Warren, I meant the primary, not the general. merrily Jan 2015 #199

Try to wrap your head around this: I don't care about Hillary. If she gets the nomination Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #246

I think we agree on bottom line substance. On anything I can recall, in fact. merrily Jan 2015 #248

You're still lying about how Warren voted. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #226

People still spreading that lame myth about Hillary saying Reagan was one of the "best presidents"? NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #164

Not a myth. She and Obama were asked for lists of 10 Best Presidents in 2008. merrily Jan 2015 #167

Yes a myth. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #169

Please see Reply 183. merrily Jan 2015 #184

you are going to have to backtrack on this untruth OKNancy Jan 2015 #173

A comment posted at Kos, much as I post here, does not require backtracking. merrily Jan 2015 #183

Please link to those lists. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #190

and the fundies were gleeful downright, because treestar Jan 2015 #157

So how is it that a professor and consumer advocate made all those millions, gathering fees for Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #128

You should ask her krispos42 Jan 2015 #209

"In the same way, I tell you that there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #30

Luke was quite the con man. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #77

It's the sentiment of Jesus, not Luke. However, if the issue is not merrily Jan 2015 #85

I'm all for Hillary bluestateguy Jan 2015 #32

My dad and he were the only ones JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #39

It's childish, but Hillary was never a voting Republican OKNancy Jan 2015 #158

Party loyalty isn't in itself a virtue. Simply indicates imperviousness to facts. Orsino Jan 2015 #34

And she was an Economics professor when she voted republican ALBliberal Jan 2015 #35

I was in a staff meeting in 1994. There must have been a dozen of us. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #47

Actually, she was a law professor. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #84

thank you I admire her greatly ALBliberal Jan 2015 #202

Hubris isn't helpful. madamesilverspurs Jan 2015 #38

FWIW, I was a Young Republican in the early 60's as an undergrad. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #50

We are worrying about the wrong stuff, and I once wondered about this too, but so what. NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #41

She has risked more political capital defending the rights of the middle class than anyone GoneFishin Jan 2015 #44

Let's see what else happened in 1995: LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #46

uh oh! The OP has been warned by LawdeeDuh! wyldwolf Jan 2015 #57

Childish play on member's name. Grow up, Corporatist supporter. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #63

that must be my new puppy :) LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #65

and she tries to be cute, too. Patiently waiting your next right wing info dump wyldwolf Jan 2015 #70

Says the guy who just hurled an insult. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #66

This is a high class thread. Can you gentlemen and ladies keep it that way. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #74

well known, not popular. Their stories are of the Nat'l Inquirer type LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #69

Actually the correct term is 'popular.' wyldwolf Jan 2015 #76

Is Bill Clinton running for office? MineralMan Jan 2015 #67

Say Mitch McConnels brother was caught up in a sex trade ring LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #81

I would not support Mitch McConnell under any circumstances. MineralMan Jan 2015 #130

One of the selling points is you get both Clintons for the price of one. merrily Jan 2015 #111

You're welcome to consider anything you think is appropriate. MineralMan Jan 2015 #133

Sure. You were the one who raised the issue of Bill's not being the candidate though. merrily Jan 2015 #136

See, here's the thing. I make my decision on voting MineralMan Jan 2015 #146

I don't think Hillary will win the general, if she is the nominee. merrily Jan 2015 #148

I'm glad that you finally see you can't believe the Clintons all the time. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #138

I don't believe anyone all the time. MineralMan Jan 2015 #144

The "10 Best Presidents" is a harder list to fill than "The 40 Worst Ones." immoderate Jan 2015 #176

I'd like to thank you again for that excellent OP with those paragraphs... freshwest Jan 2015 #214

Good thing she has INTEGRITY. Octafish Jan 2015 #51

And Hillary Clinton Was A "Goldwater Girl"... Elizabeth Warren Has Learned The Error Of Her Ways... WillyT Jan 2015 #54

Please see also Reply 72. merrily Jan 2015 #89

Can I ask which one is Hillary? I can't tell. 2nd from right wth the frown? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #120

and reagan used to be a democrat. so? unblock Jan 2015 #71

I'd liked to agree with you Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #86

FDR was a Republican that switched to the Democratic Party as well nt AZ Progressive Jan 2015 #88

Not true YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #90

Remember: Republicans were the liberals when Lincoln ran. merrily Jan 2015 #118

Not so. FDR's side of the family was Democratic. So was he. merrily Jan 2015 #93

And Hillary was up until the late '60s. KamaAina Jan 2015 #92

Please see Reply 72. merrily Jan 2015 #100

Who's supporting the right issues now? That is kind of important..... /nt think Jan 2015 #95

20 effing years ago? ??? 99Forever Jan 2015 #96

Please see Reply 72. merrily Jan 2015 #101

When it occurred is not as relative as the age of the person when it occurred. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #147

Please stop insulting our intelligence. 99Forever Jan 2015 #168

I will try to do better. Perhaps I should incorporate some ad hominem attacks in my pitch. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #170

People aren't allowed to evolve politically? Throd Jan 2015 #102

Democrats and Republicans outside Jan 2015 #107

In 1988, I voted for George H.W.... because I was young and didn't know any better. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #109

Ms. Warren had her epiphany at 46 years old. That doesn't sound like a youthful indiscretion/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #122

This is how much I care... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #129

If you don't care for all of the victims of Nixon's, Reagans, And Bush Pere's policies... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #134

... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #149

Silence can be taken as consent in this instance. Thank you for your acquiescence. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #151

How much do you care about the victims of the Iraq war, the one Hillary wanted, that war? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #204

I will support the Democratic candidate in 016 DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #207

About Kerry and Biden, there is that and it's not pleasant at all to know LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #213

She also claimed to be Native American for quite some time...NT 1bigdude Jan 2015 #110

and how does that measure up to the Sniper story? or voting for people to die? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #152

That was her family lore. It may or may not have been true. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #185

And the Koch candidate ran into the ditch on that. Please consider the source of the attack meme. freshwest Jan 2015 #215

Republican talking points at DU? Mnpaul Jan 2015 #229

... and so was Jim Webb. And Wesley Clark (IIRC). Myrina Jan 2015 #115

I'm not so concerned with what party Warren belonged to 20 years ago, Maedhros Jan 2015 #116

The false Native American claim looks idiotic. Nt 1bigdude Jan 2015 #117

So you believe RW media? RiverLover Jan 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #127

I used to be intractable, absolute, and criticize others for their changing and evolving worldviews LanternWaste Jan 2015 #139

Warren accepted family lore about being part Indian. djean111 Jan 2015 #141

And her family was proven correct. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #171

I actually think that's a big reason why Warren doesn't want to run for Prez Cali_Democrat Jan 2015 #143

To the contrary, it would be a PLUS for her. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #193

Good for her - another triumph of progressive ideology over conservativism. bluedigger Jan 2015 #150

At my first caucus as a Democrat madamesilverspurs Jan 2015 #153

Amen to that davidpdx Jan 2015 #266

It's good to know that people never, ever, ever change their minds on any subject. jeff47 Jan 2015 #160

OMG!!1! HappyMe Jan 2015 #161

First, people change, and we allow for that Trajan Jan 2015 #165

So much silliness, judging people on labels and not their actions. Avalux Jan 2015 #172

If Robert Byrd can be forgiven for being a senior Klansman Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #174

I have read many of your posts... demmiblue Jan 2015 #175

"I have read many of your posts Elizabeth Warren is a far better representative..." DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #186

I am also a life-long dem, demmiblue Jan 2015 #201

If I'm a zealot then I am a zealous Democrat, something you implied I really wasn't. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #205

in 1960 I wanted Alfred E. Newman to be president olddots Jan 2015 #177

That's nothing. There's a lot of republicans here that pretend to be democrats tenderfoot Jan 2015 #179

Do you have some issue with Senator Warren's work? herding cats Jan 2015 #180

Does this make anyone else miss 1995 republicans? Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #182

No they sucked ass too. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #188

So you see no differences between them and todays teapublicans? Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #219

How old are you? Were you old enough to remember the nutbags who came in with Reagan? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #245

So what? Did she or her husband have "burner phones"? zappaman Jan 2015 #187

good point! One of the fundementals of progressive values is that people must never-ever change Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #189

so what you're saying is, she hasn't been a republican for 20 years 0rganism Jan 2015 #192

Any chance Hillary would offer VP slot to Elizabeth? If not, whom would be her best choice? NT 1bigdude Jan 2015 #194

That would be a total waste of Warren. djean111 Jan 2015 #206

All I know is her current political positions are the right ones and the Clinton/Rubin policies mmonk Jan 2015 #196

You are a Democrat since birth? SalviaBlue Jan 2015 #198

I'm gay. Back in my youth that left Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #238

I agree with you mostly, but in my case I was an exception to the rule davidpdx Jan 2015 #265

Obama in 2012: My policies are republican nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #208

But not as moderate as Ike. mmonk Jan 2015 #210

I was Conservative until 2012 DesertDawg Jan 2015 #211

The "Fake Native American" Story Will Be More of a Problem daredtowork Jan 2015 #212

She is part Cherokee. Not a fake story. RiverLover Jan 2015 #236

Not arguing whether she is or not daredtowork Jan 2015 #259

Just Read the Article daredtowork Jan 2015 #260

People thought that would hurt her in the senate race too. RiverLover Jan 2015 #268

I'm glad if it didn't daredtowork Jan 2015 #269

I know. And you could be right. RiverLover Jan 2015 #270

Yes and daredtowork Jan 2015 #271

Agreed Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #254

Sanctimonious much? October Jan 2015 #216

This is the twin story to the Clinton Flight Log thread. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #217

One of many reasons why I favor Bernie Sanders more JonLP24 Jan 2015 #220

So Hillary Clinton was an intern for Gerald Ford when he was in Congress. Rex Jan 2015 #222

This means about as much as Michele Bachman CAMPAIGNING as a Democrat for Jimmy Carter! cascadiance Jan 2015 #227

Neither was I. LWolf Jan 2015 #237

I've always been a democrat but the hallmark of a liberal is open thinking. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2015 #242

"I was a Democrat when being a Democrat wasn't cool." -- George Wallace unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #251

I'd much rather... vi5 Jan 2015 #252

I don't care about who voted or campaigned for Republicans decades ago. winter is coming Jan 2015 #261

Maybe that explains her zeal in working Democratic policies today. No one is more passionate DebJ Jan 2015 #262

I'm glad she's on our side. Ilsa Jan 2015 #267

You forgot McGovern Jim Beard Jan 2015 #272