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zazen

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27. HBO's John Adams was excellent historical fiction, IMO
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jan 2015

The acting was superb and they went to great lengths in production, as with Rome, to try to recreate the physicality and psychosocial feel of the period, and the very flawed nature of everyone on all sides of the conflict(s). If you like this era, you'll love this seven-part series. It was brilliant.

IMO, all historical fiction (and history, and human "knowledge&quot is constructed and therefore ideological, but the better works of fiction and non-fiction at least try to be conscious of the worst anachronisms and humble about the rest.

I caught 10 minutes of Sons of Liberty last night, accidentally, and couldn't take the deliberate historical inaccuracies (exaggerations--shooting a child in the head), which I feel were there because they don't trust contemporary Americans to have enough subtlety to be outraged at what in fact did happen. That's what bothers me. They don't reflect on their own very assumptions.

I walked out of the 199x movie version of Elizabeth. The 1971 miniseries with Glenda Jackson actually attempted to capture some of the psychology of the period, as poor as the production values were. The one in the 1990s seemed aimed only at titillating modern audiences, just like that godawful Tudor series, which I tolerated for about 45 seconds.

Another awful thing was a TV movie about Homer where they actually had "him" (I don't know if people agree there was ever "one" Homer) walking around behaving like a journalist. I think the producers, who had evidently never learned about the differences between oral and literate cultures, really believed that a man interviewed Greeks and wrote the Odyssey from notes! That's not the same as the HBO series fictionalizing Titus and Pullo, because the producers really tried to get the capture the psychology of soldiers of that era, even though the characters were constructed.

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Take what you see in "Sons of Liberty" with a grain of salt. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #1
the details may suffer... grasswire Jan 2015 #2
It is the History Channel and it is not accurate history. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #8
And they warn viewers of that with a disclaimer: Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #9
Sadly, pepople ignore disclaimers. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #10
I mainly read historical fiction. Historical fiction is highly educational when done well. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #12
Hell, we've taught historical fiction in schools for years. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #16
They don't teach that old myth anymore, at least in California. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #20
I never learned it in school, but since I was born on February 22, Cleita Jan 2015 #30
I went to school beginning in the late 50's in Oklahoma. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #32
History Channel said it was factionalized. Cleita Jan 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #3
Well, actually that term was coined for the French Revolution and first used in English about the Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #7
Bluenorthwest- your post right here wins the internet for today. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #13
Johnson was also apropos Recursion Jan 2015 #26
Its pretty much all theaterical license taken by those that give you Historic NY Jan 2015 #4
Instead of the historically inaccurate tv show, read Les Standiford's, FSogol Jan 2015 #5
I watched it and enjoyed it. HappyMe Jan 2015 #6
It is so historically incorrect it is too painful to watch. I can watch Vikings cause KittyWampus Jan 2015 #11
"We have been colonized again." Absolutely. Great post. And yes, we Zorra Jan 2015 #14
We need a revolution but it is just not us. The world needs a revolution to put the corporations jwirr Jan 2015 #22
True. nt Zorra Jan 2015 #33
I hope schools don't use The Fiction Channel for lessons or discussion as if it 's accurate lunasun Jan 2015 #15
I think it could be useful to start a discussion and to point kids in Cleita Jan 2015 #19
That is how I learned to love history. Read a fictionalized book and started looking for facts. You jwirr Jan 2015 #23
Zombies A Living History, wasn't that bad kydo Jan 2015 #17
The American Revolution was the American 1% revolting against the British 1% Recursion Jan 2015 #21
Wasn't John Hancock the richest guy who signed the Declaration of Independence? Cleita Jan 2015 #24
Tough call between him and Washington Recursion Jan 2015 #25
Got a link for that stat? nt Zorra Jan 2015 #31
HBO's John Adams was excellent historical fiction, IMO zazen Jan 2015 #27
Titus and Pullo were mentioned by Julius Caesar in one of his Cleita Jan 2015 #28
thx--yep, knew that, but the rest of their characters were fictionalized zazen Jan 2015 #29
Why not just watch that old Disney movie, "Johnny Tremain"? Paladin Jan 2015 #34
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