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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
21. I disagree with your criticisms of Medecins Sans Frontieres.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jan 2015

In thread after thread, you pooh-pooh any leaked text as a mere proposal, with the implication that the final agreement may well be vastly different. As best I can tell, peering through the veil of secrecy surrounding the deal, that's not accurate.

These negotiations have been going on for more than four years. Leaks about drug patents and other chapters are not of any one side's negotiating proposals; they're of the current draft text. True, it's still subject to amendment -- but, as a practical matter, a draft that's emerged from four years of work is probably pretty close to what the final version will be.

You write:

First, I don't think this is "tin-foil-hattery combined with Obama Derangement Syndrome", so much as a fundamental (almost paranoid) distrust of government and business by many ... and that distrust is being fed by the nature of trade negotiations (i.e., done behind closed doors) and, possibly, being exploited by interests.


Should I take comfort that you wrote "almost paranoid" instead of straight-out "paranoid"? As the saying goes, even a paranoid has some real enemies. (Variously attributed to Henry Kissinger or Golda Meir) The distrust that you correctly identify isn't based on some psychological disorder, or on the work of unspecified nefarious "interests" who are exploiting the public. It's based on the secrecy, as you note. It's based on the lopsided nature of the secrecy, where Big Pharma is in on the negotiations while the doors are closed to MSF and similar organizations. It's based, perhaps above all, on experience with similar agreements, such as NAFTA.

The TPP will include provisions for investor-state dispute settlement. (I'll put money on that assertion if you want to continue to pooh-pooh the leaks. Loser buys the winner a one-year Star membership?) Similar provisions in NAFTA have been used by big business to attack environmental protections and other laws that might impede their pursuit of profit. Here's one example, from the Wikipedia article about NAFTA:

In 1996, the gasoline additive MMT was brought into Canada by Ethyl Corporation, an American company. At the time, the Canadian federal government banned the importation of the additive. The American company brought a claim under NAFTA Chapter 11 seeking US$201 million,[32] from the Canadian government and the Canadian provinces under the Agreement on Internal Trade ("AIT&quot . The American company argued that their additive had not been conclusively linked to any health dangers, and that the prohibition was damaging to their company. Following a finding that the ban was a violation of the AIT,[33] the Canadian federal government repealed the ban and settled with the American company for US$13 million.[34] Studies by Health and Welfare Canada (now Health Canada) on the health effects of MMT in fuel found no significant health effects associated with exposure to these exhaust emissions. Other Canadian researchers and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency disagree with Health Canada, and cite studies that include possible nerve damage.[35]


We can safely predict that TPP, if adopted, would provide corporations with additional such opportunities to challenge democratically enacted laws. That's a bad idea regardless of which side is right on the particular issue of the health effects of MMT.

You conclude by arguing that MSF should have made specific constructive suggestions for changes. Even in the limited scope of the press release that MSF put out in response to the leak, we can see some specifics, in the form of provisions that should be removed from the agreement:

If signed in its current form, the TPP—a far-reaching trade agreement involving the US and 11 other Pacific-Rim countries—would force all countries to grant additional drug patents, extending monopolies on medicines beyond 20 years, a practice called patent "evergreening."
The agreement would also impose an unprecedented extended period of exclusivity for clinical data required to prove the safety and efficacy of drugs and vaccines that are “biologic” products, extending monopolies in TPP countries, which will delay lower-cost versions of these medicines from entering the market.


The MSF video accompanying its press release adds the point that TPP would require that surgical methods be made patentable.

Unfortunately, it's doubtful that MSF can be very "impactful" on the negotiations to which it wasn't invited. As George Carlin said in another context, there's a club and you ain't in it. The correct strategy for MSF and other excluded organizations (like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Sierra Club, and the AFL-CIO) is to publicize the issues in their particular fields of expertise, and to begin to mobilize opposition even without having the final agreement in hand. If Congress approves fast-track authority, there won't be enough time for that work if it's not even begun until the final proposal is released.

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The US Government's Negotiating objectives, related to drugs ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #1
Intellectual Property and Drug Prices: Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #2
How is relying on the lofty words of the US Objectives ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #3
Krugman has a pretty good answer for you: Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #4
Again, what is he basing that opinion on ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #12
When our negotiating positions stink, & when "really bad ideas" are "being floated", & when Congress Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #37
history ND-Dem Jan 2015 #24
History is the opposite of progress. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #30
so far as governments lying goes, there has been no "progress" in millenia. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #38
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #40
You are correct. THe rhetoric you repeat above is nothing like what is contained in the agreement. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #5
There is no agreement yet, so it's silly to talk about "what's in it" Recursion Jan 2015 #6
Secrecy + Corporate Input + Fast Track + "Don't Talk about what's in it tell it's done" = OLIGARCHY Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #7
Bingo Populist_Prole Jan 2015 #8
if they obey tpp, the world will have drug prices as high as those in the US which are way ND-Dem Jan 2015 #25
Response to your first comment ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #13
Response to your first comment ... rhett o rick Jan 2015 #29
That's NOT a dodge ... It is a direct answer to your question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #33
The discrepancy you cite is EXACTLY the point. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #10
+1 Good post BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #11
We have people who I trust that have seen the TPP and are firmly against it. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #14
I have not seen a single person expressing support for ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #16
Oh my... nt stillwaiting Jan 2015 #17
Well, at least not on DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #18
I consider support for Fast Track, in effect, support for the TPP. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #19
How? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #20
Fast Track means that, no matter what unsavory stuff is contained in the TPP - nothing djean111 Jan 2015 #26
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #31
The GOP is slavering for this agreement, because it enables corporations to djean111 Jan 2015 #32
The gop is slathering over this agreement ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #34
His "stated" objectives are trade based. He does not address the Investor State giveaway. djean111 Jan 2015 #35
Yes.He.Does ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #36
The analysis by Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #15
I disagree with your criticisms of Medecins Sans Frontieres. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #21
because they've done so well so far at 'negotiating' prices with big pharma ND-Dem Jan 2015 #22
The US government hasn't been involved in ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #28
It would allow the shysters to push prices on alreadt skyrocketing generics through the roof. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #9
+100 ND-Dem Jan 2015 #23
This is so simple for those who DO support Fast Track - thus supporting the TPP - just don't djean111 Jan 2015 #27
In December, MSF together with the AFL-CIO, AARP and the Generic Pharmaceutical Association sent Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #39
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