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hifiguy

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43. I don't but if I weren't here

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:59 PM

Jan 2015

I wouldn't even have to consider the question. It would be moot.

Though there's a substantial difference between spectrum disorders and DS. People on the spectrum have a wide range of intellectual abilities ranging from classic Kanner's autism on the low end to people who are very smart but somewhat socially awkward/odd, the Asperger's/HFA crowd. I happen to fall in that latter group. DS not so much.

And, to refer to the discussion above, it is profoundly none of my business to tell any woman facing a pregnancy involving these issues what to do, ever.

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How Did We Get Into This Mess? Down Syndrome is "Hell on Earth." [View all] KamaAina Jan 2015 OP

I agree with you d_r Jan 2015 #1

I'm counting on it. KamaAina Jan 2015 #2

That is just plain creepy. HappyMe Jan 2015 #3

Right. Because it would be so creepy to eliminate Cystic Fibrosis, pnwmom Jan 2015 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Jan 2015 #4

That's what concerns many of us. KamaAina Jan 2015 #5

Gene therapy and genetic engineering aren't eugenics. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #65

"unborn human being"?! KamaAina Jan 2015 #73

What on earth? Hell no I'm not anti-choice. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #74

Gene therapy is a hell of a lot different than this genetic engineering. KamaAina Jan 2015 #76

Oh for crying out loud, it was a poor choice of words. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #79

Clearly we can trust someone who thinks Down syndrome is a mutation jeff47 Jan 2015 #6

Down syndrome isn't a mutation? Egnever Jan 2015 #7

It's an extra 21st chromosome KamaAina Jan 2015 #8

Fair enough Egnever Jan 2015 #10

It IS a mutation though.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #13

The extra chromosome is the result of an "abnormal cell division." pnwmom Jan 2015 #28

It's an extra copy of chromosome 21. jeff47 Jan 2015 #9

Good catch! KamaAina Jan 2015 #11

Gattaca, here we come, apparently Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #12

+Gazillion JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #51

It is eugenics Terra Alta Jan 2015 #14

But have you raised someone with mental Ilsa Jan 2015 #16

Many self-advocates view the R-word as akin to the N-word. KamaAina Jan 2015 #25

thank you. Terra Alta Jan 2015 #30

Some of my Socialist and Communist comrades had to educate me about using 'Paul-tard' for KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #83

I have never considered the "R" word as a slur, Ilsa Jan 2015 #54

Up until a few years ago d_r Jan 2015 #62

You'll have to trust me on this, but MR is still being Ilsa Jan 2015 #70

oh I do not doubt that d_r Jan 2015 #78

It's not "colleagues" for me. I'm the parent. nt Ilsa Jan 2015 #80

In this case, it's being directed by those who ARE special populations. KamaAina Jan 2015 #75

If you take away the "R" word that Ilsa used and substituted the words you suggested madinmaryland Jan 2015 #68

The question was directed at Terra Alta KamaAina Jan 2015 #91

I have a genetic disorder myself Terra Alta Jan 2015 #26

Dear New Parents of a Baby With Down Syndrome, I Feel Compelled to Tell You This KamaAina Jan 2015 #31

thank you for sharing that. Terra Alta Jan 2015 #35

Ha! Here in California, "thank you for sharing that" is used ironically KamaAina Jan 2015 #37

lol, didn't realize that. Terra Alta Jan 2015 #38

Do you support a woman's right to choose an abortion? pnwmom Jan 2015 #34

I am unequivocally pro-choice, getting to choose whatever Ilsa Jan 2015 #53

I didn't see any reference to the scientist saying that anyone Ilsa Jan 2015 #52

Thank you for your painful honesty in your posts here. pnwmom Jan 2015 #60

most people don't know how hard it is unless they Ilsa Jan 2015 #69

Ilsa, thank you for the reality check. pnwmom Jan 2015 #32

I think knowing if there's an issue, then having the opportunity for Ilsa Jan 2015 #55

Do you also oppose amniocentesis followed by abortion or selective abortion? pnwmom Jan 2015 #23

As far as the abortion issue goes, KamaAina Jan 2015 #27

Women get information from their doctors, who can give them reliable information REP Jan 2015 #42

About those heart defects KamaAina Jan 2015 #44

That isn't the mentality that this whole thread is about. pnwmom Jan 2015 #46

I would hardly describe these as "medical procedures". KamaAina Jan 2015 #47

Then what are they and what exactly is your problem with them? pnwmom Jan 2015 #48

Both these measures seek to eliminate disability KamaAina Jan 2015 #77

Individual people should get to decide which of their defective genes they pass pnwmom Jan 2015 #88

That is a terribly broad assumption to make about Ilsa Jan 2015 #57

I am 100% pro-choice. Terra Alta Jan 2015 #33

Then why don't you support women having the same control over their pregnancy pnwmom Jan 2015 #36

90% of women, when they get a DS diagnosis, abort. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #41

might act out? laundry_queen Jan 2015 #63

Thank you for having open eyes and understanding that Ilsa Jan 2015 #71

Republicans and the rich are 'hell on Earth'. If we're going to genetically engineer, let's start KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #82

I do sincerely hope you're kidding. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #84

Not kidding about Republicans and the rich being "hell on Earth" (both literally KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #86

As a parent of a child with a chronic developmental Ilsa Jan 2015 #15

It seems to me that the real nightmare is hifiguy Jan 2015 #17

Thank you! People are passing judgment on this scientist's Ilsa Jan 2015 #18

There are at least two autistic people in this thread who disagree with you (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #20

And one who agrees with her. Me. nt hifiguy Jan 2015 #39

I'm sorry that you think your existence is a mistake (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #40

I don't but if I weren't here hifiguy Jan 2015 #43

The discussion isn't just about Down syndrome but eugenics in general, though. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #45

But wouldn't anyone on this thread ecstatic Jan 2015 #67

And you have the ability to disagree with me because Ilsa Jan 2015 #58

Thank you. You said it much better than I could have. If I had the Nay Jan 2015 #22

He's stretching his résumé pretty thin. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #19

If those techniques can eliminate diseases like Cystic fibrosis, I'm all for them. pnwmom Jan 2015 #21

Or Tay-Sachs, Sickle-cell, MS, etc. nt Ilsa Jan 2015 #59

Same here abelenkpe Jan 2015 #87

These rich brats should be the last to represent the human race genetically. Sociopathy is genetic. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #29

married to a speech path who worked in a sheltered workshop she had full genetic testing dembotoz Jan 2015 #49

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #50

What if there could have been that DS person or AS person, but without the impairment? raging moderate Jan 2015 #56

Temple Grandin (her you know) says that if science came up with a blue pill KamaAina Jan 2015 #89

I've been lucky enough to have a few people with DS in my life KMOD Jan 2015 #61

ugh! The road to hell paved with good intentions comes to mind loyalsister Jan 2015 #64

I know some artists with Down. Recursion Jan 2015 #66

Do you have a child with Down Syndrome? Just curious what precipitated this post. madinmaryland Jan 2015 #72

No, I do not. KamaAina Jan 2015 #90

I remember a Twilight Zone from years ago KamaAina Jan 2015 #81

Eugenics is inevitable LittleBlue Jan 2015 #85