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In reply to the discussion: This Is How A Police State Protects “Secrets” - Marcy Wheeler/Salon [View all]bigtree
(94,179 posts)116. actually, the government's actions endangered lives
...and Sterling wasn't found guilty of 'outing and agent' to 'sell a book,' so that's just propaganda to discredit him.
from the article in the op:
"Sterling was accused and ultimately convicted of leaking two related things: First, information about the Merlin operation to deal flawed nuclear blueprints to Iran, as well as the involvement of a Russian engineer referred to as Merlin in the trial. In addition to that, the government charged Sterling separately for leaking a document (one which the FBI never found, in anyones possession): a letter Merlin included along with the nuclear blueprints he wrapped in a newspaper and left in the mailbox of Irans representative to the International Atomic Energy Agency. So the government convicted Sterling of leaking two things: information about the operation, and a letter that was used in the operation."
as to the dangerous and reckless government plot Sterling was revealing:
(There) was the testimony of former CIA official David Shedd, currently the acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who pointed to many dire potential results of the Risen books now-aging disclosures. He called the leak a breach of security that potentially would affect similar operations, and warned that such a leak could require modification of U.S. nuclear plans apparently because the bogus plans had good stuff in them that, warts and all, provided tips about the U.S. program. Which only underscores the craziness: If there is good stuff in the flawed plans, why would you want to peddle them to Iran or any other country you consider an adversary?
http://original.antiwar.com/john_hanrahan/2015/01/23/sterling-prosecution-long-on-rhetoric-short-on-evidence/
What the government was actually engaged in at the time was an effort to make it appear that Iraq actually had a nuclear weapons program, even though a National Intelligence Estimate in 2007 concluded that Iran did not have a nuclear weapons program and actually halted their nuclear efforts as early as 2003. In fact, the International Atomic Energy Agency believed the evidence the U.S. was presenting was fabricated. Presenting the U.S. efforts against as some heroic race to stop an atomic bomb plays into the narrative which had been used to call for strikes or an invasion of Iran. The record, however, shows a muddled, contradictory, and bungled effort to discredit the Iranians, rather than some noble and unassailable mission.
from 'CIA on Trial in Virginia for Planting Nuke Evidence in Iran'
Heres another explanation of both Operation Merlin and of the defensiveness of the prosecution and its witnesses (in particular Bob S.) at the prosecution of Jeffrey Sterling which is thus far failing to prosecute Jeffrey Sterling. This was an effort to plant nuke plans on Iran, part of the pattern described in Gareth Porters latest book.
Marcy Wheeler reminds me of related efforts to plant English-language nuke plans around the same period of time or not long after. There was the laptop of death, later reprised for another war marketing effort. There were nuke plans and parts buried in a backyard as well.
Why give Iran flawed plans for a key part of a nuclear weapon? Why fantasize about giving Iran the thing already built (which wouldnt delay Irans non-existent program much). Because then you can point out that Iran has them. And you wont even be lying, as with forged documents claiming Iraq is buying uranium or hired subcontractors pretending aluminum tubes are for nuclear weapons. With Operation Merlin you can work some real dark magic: You can tell the truth about Iran having what you so desperately want Iran to appear to have.
What Sterling was blowing the cover on was a push to war with Iran which was being leveraged by this dangerous and dubious sting operation which actually provided Iran with a direction to a nuclear weapon. It was a cynical attempt which, by the very nature of it's bungling (not Sterling's revelation, but the sloppy and amateurish nature of the blueprints) ended up thwarting any effort to actually discover the extent of Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Here are some words of wisdom from the fellow you differentiate from Jeffery Sterling; Ellsberg, himself:
Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg has concisely summarized the context of the governments efforts in the Sterling prosecution. Sterlings ordeal comes from a strategy to frighten potential whistleblowers, whether he was the source of this leak or not, Ellsberg said in an interview for an article that journalist Marcy Wheeler and I wrote for The Nation. The aim is to punish troublemakers with harassment, threats, indictments, years in court and likely prison -- even if theyve only gone through official channels to register accusations about their superiors and agency. That is, by the way, a practical warning to would-be whistleblowers who would prefer to follow the rules. But in any case, whoever were the actual sources to the press of information about criminal violations of the Fourth Amendment, in the NSA case, or of reckless incompetence, in the CIA case, they did a great public service.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/01/05/why-jeffrey-sterling-deserves-support-cia-whistleblower
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If this were a police state, you would not have the freedom to post what you just did
Glassunion
Jan 2015
#1
I know you are being sarcastic, but I wish to remind DU of Hannah Arendt's observation that
KingCharlemagne
Jan 2015
#127
My sarcasm was not a jab at the state of things, but one at those who say they have
Glassunion
Jan 2015
#224
Yeah, I got that. I wished to underline the serious point I thought (correctly) you were
KingCharlemagne
Jan 2015
#226
The Constitution is not immutable. And Sterling's case has nothing to do with it.
randome
Jan 2015
#21
'Outing' an agent means giving the name to someone who is not authorized to know it.
randome
Jan 2015
#101
In the indictment, Sterling's book proposal is detailed. Some posters here are
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#114
Well... OP article is a lesson to those who would quote such a sloppy source....
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#122
But she only discussed 7 counts--ignoring the other 2, and thus, from this thread, it's pretty
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#199
By specifying how the agent delivered secret messages, Sterling in effect outed him/her.
randome
Jan 2015
#126
When did outing an agent become illegal? When Plame was outed by Novak, it took the prosecutor
hughee99
Jan 2015
#143
Novak was a journalist and so was given 'extra-special-super-duper' consideration.
randome
Jan 2015
#144
Compromising an identity is not 'greivous harm' but it is potentially dangerous.
randome
Jan 2015
#166
Assumption? He was convicted. You may make an assumption, but understand something.....
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#182
It's also circumstantial to see someone holding a smoking gun but without seeing the gun fired.
randome
Jan 2015
#180
No, I'm talking about a national security agent giving away national security secrets.
randome
Jan 2015
#20
The government pressed Risen to reveal his sources. When he refused, they basically gave up.
randome
Jan 2015
#48
And Maybe... Just Maybe... The Reason Some Will "willingly obfuscate and deflect."
WillyT
Jan 2015
#50
Interdicting AMERICA'S Nuclear Program May Be Un-American... Iran Has It's Own Sovereignty...
WillyT
Jan 2015
#237
I certainly wouldn't want Congress to decide what's good for the American people
JonLP24
Jan 2015
#39
But there is no mention of "selling" secrets in the indictment or conviction
Kelvin Mace
Jan 2015
#97
My arguments are NOT based on strict readings of the law since I'm not an attorney.
randome
Jan 2015
#104
His book was his memoirs that the CIA refused to give him permission to publish.
randome
Jan 2015
#210
Actually...Sterling's attempt to publish is in the indictment...there's also
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#118
Msanthrope did not read the article. Wheeler does indeed, at the beginning of the article
Luminous Animal
Jan 2015
#198
But it's apparent from this thread that Wheeler is unclear--and I blame Wheeler, rather than DUers
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#207
No, it is clear that people are discussing the Espionage Act charges. The focus of Wheeler's article
Luminous Animal
Jan 2015
#217
Thank you for admitting that Wheeler is selectively discussing the charges. And I think that proves
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#219
Quoting inaccurately and making false statements in order to further her agenda?
bvar22
Jan 2015
#228
I am a 'master' at nothing other than my ability to look at all the fine print.
randome
Jan 2015
#211
Is it difficult to admit it's possible that Congress blew him off because there was nothing illegal?
randome
Jan 2015
#157
Nobody Wants To Talk About Their Pedophile Uncle Either... Doesn't Mean They Shouldn't Be In Jail...
WillyT
Jan 2015
#242
I am loving the post hoc defense of Judith Miller and Scooter Libby, myself. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#12
I was disgusted when James Risen made shit up about Wen Ho Lee. Why else do you
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#16
What was covered up here? Every trial document is available online. Merlin wasn't an
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#24
Um, no...that's not the only evidence. What say you as to the evidence presented with
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#44
Nope. You're claiming this is just like Judith Miller and Valerie Plame
riderinthestorm
Jan 2015
#108
Um....I don't have to back it up...it's the charge on the indictment he was
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#112
Yes I know. I'm focusing on your persistent charge that Sterling outed an agent
riderinthestorm
Jan 2015
#141
First and foremost....I've already given the indictment link. I can't make you
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#177
And So Is Every Person Who Believed In The American Myths We Were Told As Children...
WillyT
Jan 2015
#243
Again...you make the mistake Wheeler did. You focus on the 'leak' but not on the
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#102
You don't seem to understand that the Wheeler article is only talking about 7 of the 9
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#128
Okay--I can't physically make you read the charges in the indictment. That's true.
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#185
You never mention that article's co-author, NYT reporter Jeff Gerth, msanthrope. Why?
Octafish
Jan 2015
#27
Because Jeffy wasn't part of the legal cases in the 4th involving either Miller or Risen?
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#34
Because it may be Gerth who deserves your wrath, scorn, whatever for Wen Ho Lee, not Risen.
Octafish
Jan 2015
#47
Well, I'm really glad you have respect for the rule of law. How do you feel about the Government
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#106
Well, I have never seen any evidence that those Americans were guilty of anything. A teenager going
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#135
No, it's Congress' job. No. Wait. It's Sterling's job. No, no, still not right. Risen's?
randome
Jan 2015
#65
the government fought to keep him off the stand to limit his testimony about lies and deceptions
bigtree
Jan 2015
#78
As I understand it, the government fought to keep Risen's testimony out of the transcript.
randome
Jan 2015
#82
Okay, so they did. But didn't the judge then rule that only Risen's transcript would be redacted?
randome
Jan 2015
#136
The truth would negatively impact the Government's case against Sterling, so...
Octafish
Jan 2015
#84
The defense could have called Risen. There was no bar to that. The government's
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#134
No--it's not. Federal juries are generally smart enough to make inferences from testimony--and lack
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#171
Nonsense--the 4th circuit's denial of appeal CLEARLY stated that he was compelled to testify. The
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#168
He should have gone to jail, just like Miller if he was going to let Sterling go to prison falsely.
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#179
Risen was willing to go to jail. The Government apparently, especially after the show in France
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#227
No--Risen was not willing to go to jail, which is why he appealed over and over. As to the rest,
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#229
Of course he appealed it. Why was he even threatened with jail in a country that puts on such a
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#231
So... Say It Out Loud... Let The World Know... We Have Their Backs... We ARE The World's Police...
WillyT
Jan 2015
#248
Why... The Rest Of The World Would Have Been Better Off If We Didn't Have One...
WillyT
Jan 2015
#251
only if you take the government's prosecution at face value, which you apparently do
bigtree
Jan 2015
#256
I'll look into it some more.... But the story doesn't make much sense to me. n/t
Adrahil
Jan 2015
#257
Risen's book outlines a pattern of deception by the U.S. intelligence agencies
bigtree
Jan 2015
#258
No doubt Ellsberg was a whistleblower. His actions saved lives. Sterling's actions endangered lives.
randome
Jan 2015
#93
So Sterling outed an agent because Operation Merlin wasn't as flawless as he would have liked?
randome
Jan 2015
#131
first of all, the subject we were discussing was his intial report to Congress
bigtree
Jan 2015
#138
There was enough circumstantial evidence to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt.
randome
Jan 2015
#150
'Dubious'. Right. Not illegal, just Sterling's desire to protect us years after the fact.
randome
Jan 2015
#159
Sorry, an article that equates Snowden with a whistleblower is blatantly biased.
randome
Jan 2015
#96
It's not ridiculous. It's a mistake of law and fact to presume that circumstantial
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#54
and here your posts and a few others have me thinking of a different 'streak' at DU
bigtree
Jan 2015
#63
You know....you seem to be suggesting that Risen's lack of testimony let an innocent man go to
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#183
Well--it's the obvious conclusion of what you write. You suggest that Risen's lack of testimony
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#187
Sterling and Risen are friends. Do you think Sterling wanted his friend in jail?
riderinthestorm
Jan 2015
#189
Would you face an 80 year jail term for a friend? Look--of course Risen could have forecasted this
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#193
No--you misunderstand....the defense had no bar, at all, to Risen being called to the stand.
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#197
Look--I've said this before to posters....if you think I'm lying about being an Obama campaign
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#173
Some of the associations going back to Smirko Madministration become clear, as well.
Octafish
Jan 2015
#76
Hannah Bell is a banned troll..and you are missing the joke in the thread. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#213