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In reply to the discussion: Just propaganda, or evidence of massive Ukrainian losses in Donbas fighting? [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)64. What is your point. I commented on that horror above?
Can't you read?
But as this thread and coup is about Ukraine, not Russia, perhaps you have a comment on this?
Twenty minutes into the movie, just as the plot deepened, a loud noise, like exploding firecrackers, came from the back seats. Panic broke out, as people rushed toward the exits. By the time the fire engines finally arrived, flames had already engulfed the roof of the theater, and the Kiev sky was lit up by a wild blaze. The fire was eventually put out, but much of the cinema was destroyed. An incendiary smoke grenade was deemed the most likely cause; fortunately, there were no casualties.
The official investigation has yet to close, but two suspects were apprehended, reportedly confessing that they had aimed to disrupt the event and express contempt for LGBT people. Two days after the fire at Zhovten, about a dozen men in camouflage and the insignia of the ultranationalist group Right Sector tried to shut down another LGBT film screening, calling it amoral. Asked at the recent Eurocities Conference how he would support human rights after the Zhovten homophobic attacks, Maidans hero and current Kiev mayor Vitali Klitschko said he considered human rights a good thing, but would not stand up for gays and lesbians.
The official investigation has yet to close, but two suspects were apprehended, reportedly confessing that they had aimed to disrupt the event and express contempt for LGBT people. Two days after the fire at Zhovten, about a dozen men in camouflage and the insignia of the ultranationalist group Right Sector tried to shut down another LGBT film screening, calling it amoral. Asked at the recent Eurocities Conference how he would support human rights after the Zhovten homophobic attacks, Maidans hero and current Kiev mayor Vitali Klitschko said he considered human rights a good thing, but would not stand up for gays and lesbians.
I believe we are in between two evils: Russian homophobic culture and Ukrainian homophobic intolerance, says Olena Semenova, an LGBT activist.
The Ukrainian gay and lesbian community is large and vibrant, especially in Kiev, where gay clubs and bars operate in relative peace. But many of its members prefer to remain closeted. Homophobia in Ukraine is pervasive and deep-rooted, sharing many parallels with Russias. Homosexuality was illegal in the Soviet Union and was often equated with counterrevolutionary positions and even fascism a convenient way to deal with the regimes enemies. Although it was decriminalized after Ukraine became independent in 1991, negative social attitudes persist to this day. According to a 2013 poll conducted by GfK Group, almost 80 percent of Ukrainians say they oppose any sexual relations between people of the same sex. In another poll, by the Ukrainian Gay Alliance and Ukrainian State Sociological Institute, 63 percent labeled homosexuality a perversion and a mental disease. That same year, a survey within the LGBT community carried out by Nash Mir Center found that 65 percent of respondents faced infringements of their rights due to sexual discrimination. The list included verbal abuse, intimidation, and loss of employment or direct physical violence. Few of these cases (about 15 percent) ever get reported to the police authorities because of the victims fear of further reprisal and humiliation. There have been other cases of arson, too, long before the one at the Zhovten theater: In 2009, the Kiev art gallery Ya was set on fire after the presentation of a gay literary anthology.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/19/dashed-hopes-in-gay-ukraine-maidan-russia/
Also............ do you honestly believe there are no gays in eastern Ukraine fighting against austerity and ownership? That's so naive it's almost comical.
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Just propaganda, or evidence of massive Ukrainian losses in Donbas fighting? [View all]
another_liberal
Jan 2015
OP
Yes, those laws Russia's gov't passed are nothing but disgusting, we all agree on that.
polly7
Jan 2015
#30
Is there some reason why you feel the need to personally attack (and with that old 'you love Saddam'
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#34
And what business is this of the US, John McCain eg? We have our own problems right here. Are you
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#39
Add into that all the much longed for resources in Eastern Ukraine and the fact that these people
polly7
Jan 2015
#20
This isn't a serious issue for you then? It is for Americans who are sick to death of Neocon
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#41
Thanks for getting attention for this topic, again. Americans are becoming increasingly concerned
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#47
Ok, this one isn't funny at all. I don't get it? What insult are you trying for? nt.
polly7
Jan 2015
#21
Not sure what the 'Putie-lover' accusers here are trying to prove, other than how uninformed they
polly7
Jan 2015
#25
Apply that to Bush and his cabal against millions in the ME, and you might be more accurate.
polly7
Jan 2015
#27
Wow, a Bush anti-Gay Rights apologist maybe? "Bush calls for ban on same-sex marriages"
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#157
I think we're up to you calling 5 Duers 'traitors' now. Could be more. So what makes you think DUers
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#88
I see, you can't argue against the 'shit pile that is RT' so you resort to calling DUers traitors
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#61
You have called three DUers 'traitors' so far in this thread. Your attempt now to back away
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#66
Sorry, but I have said nothing to " get [my] skull repeatedly slammed into a wall"
isobar
Jan 2015
#144
You'll have to be more clear. Where is the 'Putin propaganda' you are referring to? I see you've
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#42
You're right, you've called TWO DUers and I assume this comment counts as a third, 'traitors' unless
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#49
Nuland, who was caught red-handed on tape planning the Kiev coup and who 'our guy' would be
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#43
Lol, every time you deny facts, somewhere a warmonger smiles. Unfortunately for Nuland
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#128
lol that was hilarious. Awesome lesson in how to create fake news out of thin air
uhnope
Jan 2015
#56
a Putin sympathizer celebrating the deaths of Ukrainians in battle against Russia is disgusting
uhnope
Jan 2015
#31
God ....... you need a new line. That one got beyond boring a looooong time ago. nt.
polly7
Jan 2015
#40
Lol, when you have no argument, we used to tell Bush supporters, resort to 'Saddam lovers'. But the
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#46
Yes, I've noticed the propaganda on Twitter eg, same old garbage from the neocons, attempting to
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#52
Are you calling me a 'commie traitor'? Not that we on the Left are not used to these kinds of
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#63
Excuse me. If it hadn't been for Putin we would be in a full fledged war with Syria.
snappyturtle
Jan 2015
#152
That is when the anti-Putin campaign began. He helped President Obama ward off the neocons in their
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#159
The warmongers and their supporters couldn't give a flying fuck about the loss of lives.
polly7
Jan 2015
#68
So, what do you think of Nelson Mandela, sadly he too has passed away? Your deep analysis
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#131
No comment on Mandela? But you have provided yet another excellent example of what I was talking
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#141
WOW! Mandela was a leader!! We were WAITING for you to come to enlighten us about that, for
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#145
How about Blair? I have always want to ASK HIM for his assessment of Gadaffi:
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#112
That is how they identify themselves, always. The complete lack of concern for human life. They USE
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#77
I hope so, Sabrina. The world doesn't need another brutal invasion and war for the IMF. nt.
polly7
Jan 2015
#79
No it doesn't polly, and the President is working with Russia right now to avoid a war with Iran.
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#160
I've never mentioned the Russian gov't, apart from saying it's anti-gay laws are disgusting,
polly7
Jan 2015
#75
Are you going to also tell us you never called a 6-year old child a 'rodent'?
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#95
For those reading. You quickly deleted the vile term you used on a six year old child. Then
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#154
That's seriously sick. I think this poster has more problems than can be understood
polly7
Jan 2015
#100
I'd tell you to grow up, but I have a feeling you've reached your full potential,
polly7
Jan 2015
#98
"It's also ignorant as fuck and if you had the guts to do it to my face, I guarantee you'd be sorry"
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2015
#136
Four DUers called traitors by you. And your use of suffering people is simply despicable.
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#72
Your false accusations highlight your feeble attempt to distract from the bigotry
isobar
Jan 2015
#76
Are you from that part of the world? What should the US do about it in your opinion? Clearly
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#90
No. Btw, is Obama a 'Putin Sympathizer'? He is working with Putin to stop the neocons from
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#161
You are correct, if that ever becomes part of the TOS, there would be a mass exodus from DU.
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#147
It sounds weird, but fascist mores and values do seem to have taken over in Ukraine . .
another_liberal
Jan 2015
#153