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polly7

(20,582 posts)
89. A leader, hated by the outside world or not,
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jan 2015

who used Libya's resources for his own people, and all of Africa.

Here - just for you:

The Untold Story in Libya

What you dont know about the libyan crisis:

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In May 2010, Libya was voted on to the UN Human Rights Council by a huge majority. The UN Watch's campaign to remove Libya from the Human Rights Council began immediately.

In March, 2011, a report, containing positive quotes from UN diplomatic delegations in many countries, was due to be presented by the UN Human Rights Council, leading to a Resolution commending Libya's progress in a wide aspect of human rights (listed in the article). March 19, 2011, the attack on Libya began.

Libya was one of only five countries without a Rothschild model central bank, Quaddafi openly discussed, in 2009, the nationalization of US, UK, Germany, Spain, Norway, Canada and Italy's oil companies, switching to the gold dinar - a single African currency that would serve as an alternative to the U.S. dollar and allow African nations to share the wealth. Libya has an abundance of water - Gaddafi’s Great Man-Made River Project project offers limitless amounts of water for Libyans and would allow them to be totally self-sufficient. In the near-future, water will be the next resource equated with money and power, other countries may be dependent on its reserves. A self-sufficient, dictator-ruled nation with control over some of the world’s most precious resource waves a big red warning flag.

In 2010 Gaddafi made a motion to the UN General Assembly to investigate the circumstances of the invasion of Iraq. He was also wasting the west's ....... 'libya's' oil on free education, housing, tolerance of immigrants, raising the standard of living in Africa, lowering infant mortality while raising life expectancy.

Many of these things are completely similar to what we learned of Iraq.

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Yes, simply put, Nato's member nations are trying to steer back Libya Central Bank into the mainstream financial structure, under the watching eyes of the World Bank and the International Monetary Funds, to provide (reconstruction) funds to Libya with hefty interests payments - and transform a country which was free of debts into a heavily indebted country - as done everywhere else in sub-Saharan African countries.

http://businessafrica.net/africabiz/graphs...
http://businessafrica.net/africabiz/arcvol...

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From a 'no fly zone to all out bombing of targets called out by rebels'. NATO's high-precision bombing preceeded 'rebel' incursions.

http://antemedius.com/content/libya-r2p-no...

"It's now common knowledge that British SAS, French intelligence, US Central Intelligence Agency assets, Qatar special forces and mercenaries of all stripes were parachuted as boots on the ground for months, planning and training the "rebels" and in close coordination with that philanthropic prodigy, NATO.

That was never the UN mandate - but who cares? NATO/GCC paid the bills, NATO conducted the bombing and NATO/GCC will "stabilize" the mess, according to a 70-page plan leaked by the British to Rupert Murdoch'sz Times of London."

"Expect local - and global - fireworks as far as grabbing the loot is concerned. Without even considering the (still unexplored) oil and gas wealth, Libya's foreign assets are worth at least $150 billion. Libya's central bank, now about to be privatized, has no less than 143.8 tons of gold. Then there's at least a millennium supply of fresh water, which had started to be harnessed by Gaddafi via the spectacular, multibillion dollar Great Man-Made River (GMR) project."

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"Oil-rich but with a relatively small population of 6.6. million, Gadhafi's Libya welcomed hundreds of thousands of black Africans looking for work in recent decades. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/l...

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NATO’s War on Libya is an Attack on African Development–Dan Glazebrook

6 09 2011

http://globalciviliansforpeace.com/tag/afr... /

To prevent this ‘threat of African development’, the Europeans and the USA have responded in the only way they know how – militarily. Four years ago, the US set up a new “command and control centre” for the military subjugation of the Africa, called AFRICOM. The problem for the US was that no African country wanted to host them; indeed, until very recently, Africa was unique in being the only continent in the world without a US military base. And this fact is in no small part, thanks to the efforts of the Libyan government.
Before Gaddafi’s revolution deposed the British-backed King Idris in 1969, Libya had hosted one of the world’s biggest US airbases, the Wheelus Air Base; but within a year of the revolution, it had been closed down and all foreign military personnel expelled.
More recently, Gaddafi had been actively working to scupper AFRICOM. African governments that were offered money by the US to host a base were typically offered double by Gaddafi to refuse it, and in 2008 this ad-hoc opposition crystallised into a formal rejection of AFRICOM by the African Union.

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The force used by the occupier to displace the old regime always makes sure the new regime is supine and complaint. The National Transitional Council, made up of former Gadhafi loyalists, Islamists and tribal leaders, many of whom detest each other, will be the West’s vehicle for the reconfiguration of Libya. Libya will return to being the colony it was before Gadhafi and the other young officers in 1969 ousted King Idris, who among other concessions had let Standard Oil write Libya’s petroleum laws. Gadhafi’s defiance of Western commercial interests, which saw the nationalization of foreign banks and foreign companies, along with the oil industry, as well as the closure of U.S. and British air bases, will be reversed. The despotic and collapsed or collapsing regimes in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Syria once found their revolutionary legitimacy in the pan-Arabism of Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser. But these regimes fell victim to their own corruption, decay and brutality. None were worth defending. Their disintegration, however, heralds a return of the corporate and imperial power that spawned figures like Nasser and will spawn his radical 21st century counterparts.

Libya: Here We Go Again

Monday 5 September 2011
by: Chris Hedges, Truthdig | Op-Ed

http://www.truthout.com/libya-here-we-go-a...

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LIBYA: Rebels execute black immigrants while forces kidnap others

http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-ex...

"Many Africans have virtually nothing after years in Libya, many have been looted, robbed, while others saw their living quarters and apartments go in flames. Now they are praying to God to send them home.
While the international leaders are busy drafting resolutions to dismantle Muammar Gaddafi, the African Union has not yet commented on the situation in Libya.

Meanwhile, the International Criminal Court is said to have started a formal inquiry into possible crimes against humanity in Libya that will investigate the Libyan regime."

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JohnPilger.com
8 September 2011

http://johnpilger.com/articles/hail-to-the...

..."I quote that not so much for its Orwellian quality but as a model of journalism's role in justifying "our" bloodbaths in advance.
This is Rupert's Revolution, after all. Gone from the Murdoch press are pejorative "insurgents". The action in Libya, says The Times, is "a revolution... as revolutions used to be". That it is a coup by a gang of Muammar Gaddafi's ex cronies and spooks in collusion with Nato is hardly news.

The self-appointed "rebel leader", Mustafa Abdul Jalil, was Gaddafi's feared justice minister. The CIA runs or bankrolls most of the rest, including America's old friends, the Mujadeen Islamists who spawned al-Qaeda.
They told journalists what they needed to know: that Gaddafi was about to commit "genocide", of which there was no evidence, unlike the abundant evidence of "rebel" massacres of black African workers falsely accused of being mercenaries. European bankers' secret transfer of the Central Bank of Libya from Tripoli to "rebel" Benghazi by European bankers in order to control the country's oil billions was an epic heist of little .

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Sirte a 'living hell,' says aid group

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/co...

Tuesday 04 October 2011 by Our Foreign Desk Printable Email

A Red Cross team finally entered the besieged Libyan town of Sirte yesterday and delivered urgently needed surgical supplies to treat about 200 wounded people.

Nato has repeatedly targeted Sirte in its seven-month bombing campaign that enabled armed rebels to topple the government of Muammar Gadaffi and gain control of most of the oil-rich state.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...
bvar22:

The Untold Story in Libya:

How The West Cooked Up The People's Uprising

http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/08/31/now-that-... ... /

The Global Disaster Capitalists never let a good disaster go to waste.
In the case of Libya, they used their Enforcement Arm (NATO & The US Military) to CREATE a disaster where there was none.

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/M...

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Libya: Oil, Banks, Water, the United Nations, and America’s Holy Crusade by Felicity Arbuthnot

Posted on April 5, 2011 by dandelionsalad

.."The country was commended: “for the progress made in the achievement of the Millennium Development Goals, namely universal primary education (and) firm commitment (to) health care.” There was “praise” for “cooperation with international organizations in combating human trafficking and corruption ..” and for cooperation with “the International Organization for Migration.”

“Progress in enjoyment of economic and social rights, including in the areas of education, health care, poverty reduction and social welfare” with “measures taken to promote transparency”, were also cited. Malaysia: “Commended the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya for being party to a significant number of international and regional human rights instruments.” Promotion: “of the rights of persons with disabilities” and praise for “measures taken with regard to low income families”, were cited...

.."So how does the all tie together? Libya, in March being praised by the Majority of the UN., for human rights progress across the board, to being the latest, bombarded international pariah? A nation’s destruction enshrined in a UN., Resolution?
The answer lies in part with the Geneva based UN Watch.(vii) UN Watch is : “a non-governmental organization whose mandate is to monitor the performance of the United Nations.” With Consultative Status to the UN Economic and Social Council, with ties to the UN Department of Public Information, “UN Watch is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee.” (AJC.)"

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2011/0... /

Interesting ..... the involvement in HR Watch of persons whose core values include securing energy resources. All this horror and destruction brought about BY LIES - submitted to the ICC by the UN who got their 'numbers and crimes' from the NTC Prime Minister - 'word to ear'.


Same old, same old ........... apply it to Ukraine - eerily similar.

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More Putin Propaganda from our little russian kissing friend. isobar Jan 2015 #1
Any opinion regarding the actual OP topic? another_liberal Jan 2015 #2
No, just this: isobar Jan 2015 #3
Are you really not sure about that? another_liberal Jan 2015 #9
Gag photos are all your great leader the putin have coming. isobar Jan 2015 #10
I don't have a "leader," great or otherwise . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #12
LOL!!! polly7 Jan 2015 #19
.. isobar Jan 2015 #28
Yes, those laws Russia's gov't passed are nothing but disgusting, we all agree on that. polly7 Jan 2015 #30
Yet, you stand with Putin. isobar Jan 2015 #35
No, I don't even mention Putin. polly7 Jan 2015 #37
By your logic being against the Iraq war was standing with Hussein. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #130
Nonsense isobar Jan 2015 #132
LULZ Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #134
.. isobar Jan 2015 #138
How do you feel about the coup Govt in Kiev's attitude towards Gays? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #137
Not good. isobar Jan 2015 #139
Is there some reason why you feel the need to personally attack (and with that old 'you love Saddam' sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #34
I don't see that in serious OPs mythology Jan 2015 #87
Thank you, mythology. Cha Jan 2015 #103
If you believe the entire resistance is Russian Army JonLP24 Jan 2015 #15
They are certainly under the control of the russian army. isobar Jan 2015 #18
And what business is this of the US, John McCain eg? We have our own problems right here. Are you sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #39
Yes, the bigotry of the russian government is a serious matter. isobar Jan 2015 #57
Add into that all the much longed for resources in Eastern Ukraine and the fact that these people polly7 Jan 2015 #20
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My heart breaks....... isobar Jan 2015 #7
This isn't a serious issue for you then? It is for Americans who are sick to death of Neocon sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #41
Putin "bigot" wars are OK? isobar Jan 2015 #44
Thanks for getting attention for this topic, again. Americans are becoming increasingly concerned sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #47
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You are soooo right!! Russia Today is such a fine news source. isobar Jan 2015 #11
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Ok, this one isn't funny at all. I don't get it? What insult are you trying for? nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #21
Just marking putin propaganda when I find it. isobar Jan 2015 #22
Oh, ok. You're just scooping up any old bad photoshop to derail polly7 Jan 2015 #23
No, just marking the shit pile that is RT. isobar Jan 2015 #24
Not sure what the 'Putie-lover' accusers here are trying to prove, other than how uninformed they polly7 Jan 2015 #25
This post has earned: isobar Jan 2015 #26
Apply that to Bush and his cabal against millions in the ME, and you might be more accurate. polly7 Jan 2015 #27
I have no love for bush, but at least he had not officially sanctioned isobar Jan 2015 #29
How many of those tortured, killed, maimed, displaced in Iraq, Libya and polly7 Jan 2015 #32
But you stand with putin, right? isobar Jan 2015 #33
I stand with Ukrainian citizens who don't wish to live under brutal austerity. polly7 Jan 2015 #36
Wow, a Bush anti-Gay Rights apologist maybe? "Bush calls for ban on same-sex marriages" sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #157
I think we're up to you calling 5 Duers 'traitors' now. Could be more. So what makes you think DUers sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #88
I see, you can't argue against the 'shit pile that is RT' so you resort to calling DUers traitors sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #61
Again with your imagination. I have not called any one a traitor. isobar Jan 2015 #62
You have called three DUers 'traitors' so far in this thread. Your attempt now to back away sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #66
I stand by my posts, no backing away. isobar Jan 2015 #71
You need to tone it down. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #143
Sorry, but I have said nothing to " get [my] skull repeatedly slammed into a wall" isobar Jan 2015 #144
You'll have to be more clear. Where is the 'Putin propaganda' you are referring to? I see you've sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #42
I have called no one a "taitor". Now, you, like putin, are just making shit up. isobar Jan 2015 #45
You're right, you've called TWO DUers and I assume this comment counts as a third, 'traitors' unless sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #49
You have a vivid imagination. isobar Jan 2015 #51
Your support for the horror in the ME is noted. polly7 Jan 2015 #50
again , with that vivid imagination of yours. isobar Jan 2015 #58
No, it's Ukraine. polly7 Jan 2015 #59
+ 1,000 sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #156
Remember, after 4 hours, contact your physician. 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #5
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My favorite Russian Times report JonLP24 Jan 2015 #14
Nuland, who was caught red-handed on tape planning the Kiev coup and who 'our guy' would be sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #43
Every time you propose the Nuland Conspiracy Theory, somewhere a clown dies uhnope Jan 2015 #118
Can this clown be the next to go? Please? isobar Jan 2015 #127
Lol, every time you deny facts, somewhere a warmonger smiles. Unfortunately for Nuland sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #128
lol that was hilarious. Awesome lesson in how to create fake news out of thin air uhnope Jan 2015 #56
Nuland, neocon former National Security adviser to DICK CHENEY! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #158
Likely authentic panic. nilesobek Jan 2015 #16
a Putin sympathizer celebrating the deaths of Ukrainians in battle against Russia is disgusting uhnope Jan 2015 #31
Yup...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #38
God ....... you need a new line. That one got beyond boring a looooong time ago. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #40
Lol, when you have no argument, we used to tell Bush supporters, resort to 'Saddam lovers'. But the sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #46
It's already happening, Sabrina. polly7 Jan 2015 #48
Yes, I've noticed the propaganda on Twitter eg, same old garbage from the neocons, attempting to sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #52
What about the Russian neocons who control the Kremlin? IOKWPDI uhnope Jan 2015 #55
Are you calling me a 'commie traitor'? Not that we on the Left are not used to these kinds of sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #63
lol. where the heck did you get that? uhnope Jan 2015 #65
Excuse me. If it hadn't been for Putin we would be in a full fledged war with Syria. snappyturtle Jan 2015 #152
That is when the anti-Putin campaign began. He helped President Obama ward off the neocons in their sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #159
Thank you. These concepts you've put forth take more thought than many snappyturtle Jan 2015 #162
The warmongers and their supporters couldn't give a flying fuck about the loss of lives. polly7 Jan 2015 #68
you keep mentioning Gaddafi. Why? uhnope Jan 2015 #74
A bogeyman ........... we were all called lovers of these people whose polly7 Jan 2015 #78
and so how would you characterize Gaddafi? uhnope Jan 2015 #82
A leader, hated by the outside world or not, polly7 Jan 2015 #89
so you basically defend Gaddafi as part of "anti-imperialism" uhnope Jan 2015 #149
*crickets* uhnope Jan 2015 #163
That question might be better directed to some of these world leaders: sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #102
Both are dead, one literally. isobar Jan 2015 #129
So, what do you think of Nelson Mandela, sadly he too has passed away? Your deep analysis sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #131
.. isobar Jan 2015 #133
No comment on Mandela? But you have provided yet another excellent example of what I was talking sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #141
Mandela was a leader. isobar Jan 2015 #142
WOW! Mandela was a leader!! We were WAITING for you to come to enlighten us about that, for sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #145
How about Blair? I have always want to ASK HIM for his assessment of Gadaffi: sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #112
That is how they identify themselves, always. The complete lack of concern for human life. They USE sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #77
I hope so, Sabrina. The world doesn't need another brutal invasion and war for the IMF. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #79
No it doesn't polly, and the President is working with Russia right now to avoid a war with Iran. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #160
Nailed it. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #135
So are you going to follow around my posts uhnope Jan 2015 #53
blah, blah, blah ..... nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #54
Just "blah blah blah?? isobar Jan 2015 #60
What is your point. I commented on that horror above? polly7 Jan 2015 #64
Your support for russia and putin say otherwise. isobar Jan 2015 #67
LOL. Keep saying it often and you might even convince yourself. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #69
Oh, I am quite convinced that my posts are accurate. isobar Jan 2015 #73
I've never mentioned the Russian gov't, apart from saying it's anti-gay laws are disgusting, polly7 Jan 2015 #75
Ukraine Rebels = Russian Government. isobar Jan 2015 #80
LOL!!! polly7 Jan 2015 #81
No, Truth. isobar Jan 2015 #83
Do a little reading, you need it. polly7 Jan 2015 #85
Woof isobar Jan 2015 #91
Ae you calling me a dog???? polly7 Jan 2015 #92
Your threats are as empty as putin's denial of russian troops in the Ukraine. isobar Jan 2015 #94
Are you going to also tell us you never called a 6-year old child a 'rodent'? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #95
I win. isobar Jan 2015 #96
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For those reading. You quickly deleted the vile term you used on a six year old child. Then sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #154
Keyboard name-calling cowards ............ all they have are pictures and polly7 Jan 2015 #99
Hide??? isobar Jan 2015 #105
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Seems you are the only one name calling, here. isobar Jan 2015 #114
Truth hurt? nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #116
Silly, you can't hurt me. isobar Jan 2015 #120
But you can hurt whoever you like, right? nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #121
I can not be held responsable for your hurt feelings. isobar Jan 2015 #124
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That's seriously sick. I think this poster has more problems than can be understood polly7 Jan 2015 #100
This . This is sick: isobar Jan 2015 #108
I can actually see you as one of the people kicking there. polly7 Jan 2015 #110
Nope, those are your pal putins boys. isobar Jan 2015 #113
I don't know Putin, or have ever mentioned him. polly7 Jan 2015 #115
I'd tell you to grow up, but I have a feeling you've reached your full potential, polly7 Jan 2015 #98
Hey, your face, I stand by my posts. isobar Jan 2015 #104
Let's see your face, tough man. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #106
Yowzer!! isobar Jan 2015 #109
Let's see it. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #111
little wound up? isobar Jan 2015 #117
No, you called me a dog. polly7 Jan 2015 #119
Never happened. isobar Jan 2015 #122
And that's a lie. polly7 Jan 2015 #123
No, it is the truth. isobar Jan 2015 #126
Calling women 'dogs' to my knowledge, violates the tos here. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #155
"It's also ignorant as fuck and if you had the guts to do it to my face, I guarantee you'd be sorry" Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #136
Yes, someone should alert on that. isobar Jan 2015 #140
Doesn't much matter, this thread is already FUBAR! And let's not forget: Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #146
Four DUers called traitors by you. And your use of suffering people is simply despicable. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #72
Your false accusations highlight your feeble attempt to distract from the bigotry isobar Jan 2015 #76
Since I support President Obama's efforts to stop neocon wars, in Iran and sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #84
Russia is waging war in the Ukraine, not American neocons. isobar Jan 2015 #86
Are you from that part of the world? What should the US do about it in your opinion? Clearly sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #90
No. Btw, is Obama a 'Putin Sympathizer'? He is working with Putin to stop the neocons from sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #161
Kick! nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #70
I don't recall there being anything in the TOS truth2power Jan 2015 #93
You are correct, if that ever becomes part of the TOS, there would be a mass exodus from DU. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #147
If a stellar outfit like RT is reporting it, it must be true. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #148
In that case . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #150
Probably real reorg Jan 2015 #151
It sounds weird, but fascist mores and values do seem to have taken over in Ukraine . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #153
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