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Uh guys---if you are having consensual sex with a woman and she passes out---- STOP! [View all] trumad Jan 2015 OP

Better yet, WHY would you want to have sex with someone that is passed out!? Rex Jan 2015 #1

ask Bill Cosby... dhill926 Jan 2015 #7

Ugh...I would rather not, if all that is true he is Rex Jan 2015 #28

Never had that happen to me madokie Jan 2015 #2

Uh, if she's drunk enough to pass out, there was no consent in the first place. MineralMan Jan 2015 #3

+10,000,000 Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #4

But marions ghost Jan 2015 #6

I'm sick of it, and the excuses men make. MineralMan Jan 2015 #11

I am sick of BS strawmen exactly like this. ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #19

Yeah? Well, whatever you say. MineralMan Jan 2015 #22

psssst... yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #69

I'm afraid I stopped having that kind of party decades ago. MineralMan Jan 2015 #73

awww..I could have brought the yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #75

Maybe I'll reconsider, then... MineralMan Jan 2015 #76

Sounds like my kind of guy and my kind of parties. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #125

and why would I even want to come to your party? ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #172

I don't know. They were always for people I knew. MineralMan Jan 2015 #174

Most likely,but don't take it personnel but I find most people, boring and uninteresting ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #203

wtf? uppityperson Jan 2015 #106

Somebody doesn't know what "straw man" means, apparently. nt cyberswede Jan 2015 #118

i agree with you. it sounds like a lot of hate samsingh Jan 2015 #149

What the... cyberswede Jan 2015 #150

Where do you read a lot of hate in MM's post? yardwork Jan 2015 #182

How is this is a strawman? yardwork Jan 2015 #181

One party might not give consent and the other party might not realize what they're doing. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #36

I'm long past the time when I ever drink that much. MineralMan Jan 2015 #42

The idea that people rape because they are too drunk to know better is ridiculous. yardwork Jan 2015 #183

So obvious it hurts. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #159

What if both parties are falling down drunk? Then what? madinmaryland Jan 2015 #186

Well, if you're functional enough to fuck somebody... cyberswede Jan 2015 #190

If both parties are well over 3-4 times the "legal" limit of alcohol, then what? madinmaryland Jan 2015 #191

While I question the likelihood, cyberswede Jan 2015 #193

Wow! trumad Jan 2015 #211

Then it's the man's fault if anything goes wrong Yupster Jan 2015 #197

Had That Happen About 20 Years Ago Tace Jan 2015 #187

I would go further and say that this applies to all genders. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #5

And to people of all sizes cyberswede Jan 2015 #30

But that's not rape... SidDithers Jan 2015 #8

Nor is refusing to use a condom...when consent was clearly predicated on using a condom. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #25

What if that is what they are both into? ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #9

Rape is a crime shenmue Jan 2015 #10

If 2 adults are into it and consent is given it is not rape no matter what you say. ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #15

I'm having difficulty figuring out how two adults consent to necrophilia. . . Journeyman Jan 2015 #72

Wow, thanks for your post. cwydro Jan 2015 #98

How does a corpse consent? Please, do tell... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #105

A little known clause Yupster Jan 2015 #198

How do 2 people mutually agree to Necrophilia? uppityperson Jan 2015 #107

"Lots of folks are into necrophilia" Scootaloo Jan 2015 #201

Partners may choose to pretend My Good Babushka Jan 2015 #13

People who are drunk enough to pass out are not "into" anything. MineralMan Jan 2015 #14

Bunk , say I me and my partner are into necrophilia it is what we are into, who the F are YOU to ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #16

Is your partner passing-out drunk when this occurs? MineralMan Jan 2015 #20

I see a rape accusation in someone's future ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #61

Actually, I'm betting it's just speculation to make an argument, really. MineralMan Jan 2015 #63

One can only hope. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #79

I don't like to think otherwise. MineralMan Jan 2015 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Exhibit A Jan 2015 #21

I admit to not knowing everything - but isn't necrophilia sex with the dead? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #23

DuZY of the year! trumad Jan 2015 #32

Yup. It's also a weird fantasy roleplaying kink some people are into. MineralMan Jan 2015 #49

It does seem very odd. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #58

Craigslist is one of the more common places the freaks can find each other ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #60

Nah. I'll leave the freaks to other freaks. MineralMan Jan 2015 #65

"Kinky is using a feather"... riqster Jan 2015 #81

People do lots of things with each other. MineralMan Jan 2015 #83

uhh..Does "willing partners" and "how people find each other" dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #86

As a fantasy fetish kink, it involves one partner playing the MineralMan Jan 2015 #92

ahh..I misunderstood your context. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #108

Sexual fetishes can be pretty unsettling. MineralMan Jan 2015 #116

Luckily, the world doesn't phil89 Jan 2015 #160

You have no idea what disturbs me. MineralMan Jan 2015 #175

Huh, I learn new things on DU all the time. I thought it was all "real". uppityperson Jan 2015 #115

Depends on the definition of "real," I guess. MineralMan Jan 2015 #119

Roleplaying, meh. Not for me but meh. But for real? Way illegal. uppityperson Jan 2015 #129

I should have clarified my post. When I referred to MineralMan Jan 2015 #133

Well.... uppityperson Jan 2015 #137

Well, ick! Just ick. MineralMan Jan 2015 #139

Oh yeah. That one includes stalking and controlling someone with the inability to control uppityperson Jan 2015 #141

If it's role playing Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #206

Please stop misusing clinical labels like sociopathy phil89 Jan 2015 #158

Thanks for your advice. MineralMan Jan 2015 #178

Hey baby, do you bbBbBrrRRrraaaAiiInnNnZzz here often? NuclearDem Jan 2015 #50

If your partner Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #71

So you and your partner get off having sex with a corpse? A fresh one or decaying corpse? Fla Dem Jan 2015 #78

Necrophilia - Just so we understand what we're talking about here..... Lochloosa Jan 2015 #85

The poster is actually referring to a fantasy fetish that involves MineralMan Jan 2015 #134

how does a corpse give consent? uppityperson Jan 2015 #110

Do they have a will? Glassunion Jan 2015 #168

A will? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2015 #169

If you randomly change the definition of words to mean whatever you think they should mean kcr Jan 2015 #143

if they are actually unconscious, they can't consent CreekDog Jan 2015 #147

So your partner is dead? And they consented as a dead person to necrophelia? smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #152

Man are you ever a charmer, pretending to not understand what MM is talking about. Hekate Jan 2015 #194

Either the sickest post ever, or MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #208

If the partners agree ahead of time phil89 Jan 2015 #162

How far ahead of time? cyberswede Jan 2015 #173

Let's see...how would that work? MineralMan Jan 2015 #177

What if men didn't ask questions that made them look like utter creeps by trying to figure out how Brickbat Jan 2015 #17

Then there would be no rape apologia threads on DU. Where's the fun in that? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #29

Then it's not rape, you have to go by the definition of rape. Rex Jan 2015 #34

Passed out---no consent---correct? trumad Jan 2015 #52

I don't see how it is possible for an unconscious person to consent to anything. Rex Jan 2015 #56

How does a passed-out person consent? cyberswede Jan 2015 #35

Seriously, you personally think it's ok to continue to have intercourse with a woman after she has Fla Dem Jan 2015 #66

If there is mutual consent, it isn't rape. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #153

Unconscious people can't consent. /nt yardwork Jan 2015 #184

Agreed. I will add that a female did this to a male friend of mine in college joeglow3 Jan 2015 #12

Women are much more frequently victims of this, though. MineralMan Jan 2015 #18

It never fails with a thread like this that some will come in... trumad Jan 2015 #24

That's certainly true. MineralMan Jan 2015 #27

And it's the same characters. trumad Jan 2015 #31

Not so weird, really. MineralMan Jan 2015 #33

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Uhh huh trumad Jan 2015 #126

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Not that your experience don't count, but rather some people simply may not believe you. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #109

Again, you would never call a woman a liar in the same role joeglow3 Jan 2015 #112

It also takes a special kind of asshole to pretend simply to make a point... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #123

I think the point is that whenever a post about women victims appears... cyberswede Jan 2015 #113

The point is NO ONE should have sex with someone passed out joeglow3 Jan 2015 #120

Threads addressing certain aspects of topics are posted all the time. cyberswede Jan 2015 #136

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It depends... cyberswede Jan 2015 #146

Well DUH! Texasgal Jan 2015 #189

Penthouse forum material ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #64

Now, that's just speculation, see. MineralMan Jan 2015 #68

You are fucking amazing. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #99

Thanks, but I'm not really amazing. MineralMan Jan 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Jan 2015 #196

And like I said above, shitty responses like this contribute to lack of reporting. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #95

Yeah ... Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #161

Except I am the one who walked in on it joeglow3 Jan 2015 #94

It doesn't matter what the genders or sexual orientations are. Passed out people can not give uppityperson Jan 2015 #117

Exactly. It is a good message to share with all. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #127

I would assume if she passed out that there was something wrong mythology Jan 2015 #26

Exactly unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #38

Explain? trumad Jan 2015 #45

Women pass out unconscious while having sex with you all the time? unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #53

wow... trumad Jan 2015 #97

you're under the half-witted impression a person chooses the moment when they wish to pass out? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #111

Uh, why would you feel you needed to post this here? n/t Dawgs Jan 2015 #37

Why not? nt cyberswede Jan 2015 #39

Why would you think I shouldn't? trumad Jan 2015 #43

See upthread. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #67

Bingo trumad Jan 2015 #142

And if both parties are too out of it to know what's going on, Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #40

So how do both parties do it if they are passed out? trumad Jan 2015 #41

If one is passed out and the other is too drunk to realize it... Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #44

Wow! trumad Jan 2015 #48

How do you feel about drunk driving? cyberswede Jan 2015 #62

So rape is okay if the rapist is really, really drunk? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #70

Two college football players were just recently convicted of rape after trying that tblue37 Jan 2015 #200

Take a deep breath, and realize the blatant idiocy of your statement. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #114

"no one should be punished for something they probably won't remember the next morning"? uppityperson Jan 2015 #124

Pretzel logic at it's finest. Rex Jan 2015 #219

Seriously... cyberswede Jan 2015 #47

IKR!? What the hell is up with these excuses! Rex Jan 2015 #54

Technically you are wrong, it is rape for both. Sex without consent is rape, drunks can't give uppityperson Jan 2015 #122

you do and i'll kill ya CatWoman Jan 2015 #46

Then you better hire this guy.---oh wait! trumad Jan 2015 #51

is he going to come back from the dead? CatWoman Jan 2015 #164

Uh...yeah no shit. titaniumsalute Jan 2015 #55

If you'd never do it, then the OP isn't addressing you. cyberswede Jan 2015 #59

Look upthread--numerous DUers trying to figure out F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #74

what makes you think I'm talking to you? trumad Jan 2015 #82

did you have to break something up at a party? snooper2 Jan 2015 #57

It may surprise you but most of us don't need you upaloopa Jan 2015 #77

well good for you trumad Jan 2015 #80

If that's how you see it upaloopa Jan 2015 #87

What do you want to teach him? Rex Jan 2015 #90

A personal bug of mine is all the DUers who upaloopa Jan 2015 #100

I see, thank you for the explanation. Rex Jan 2015 #104

Do you represent everyone reading DU? marions ghost Jan 2015 #130

This isn't a communal think tank. upaloopa Jan 2015 #132

Crap marions ghost Jan 2015 #135

click here to trash thread.... uppityperson Jan 2015 #138

Sure marions ghost Jan 2015 #145

I am always amused when people come into a thread to complain about wasting their time uppityperson Jan 2015 #148

Right marions ghost Jan 2015 #180

Wow! trumad Jan 2015 #144

well if it's a personal fucking bug of yours. .. trumad Jan 2015 #166

another kick... trumad Jan 2015 #96

Don't take it so literally mkay marions ghost Jan 2015 #91

Hence the "if" in the post I would imagine. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #131

Does this bug you, too? countryjake Jan 2015 #151

I would have hoped that would be obvious. Vattel Jan 2015 #88

it is a sad fact the both males and females olddots Jan 2015 #89

Let's be clear: F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #157

Also: randome Jan 2015 #93

Uh, first aid. Half-Century Man Jan 2015 #103

I once took 2 really drunk ladies home from a club once. Glassunion Jan 2015 #121

You sir are a Gentleman. trumad Jan 2015 #128

mmmm Classy2 Jan 2015 #154

tick tock... cyberswede Jan 2015 #155

Yah think? uppityperson Jan 2015 #167

Happens all the time. trumad Jan 2015 #156

Does the name Bill Cosby ring a bell? arcane1 Jan 2015 #163

I think that there is a difference with what the OP is stating and the Bill Cosby example. Glassunion Jan 2015 #165

Then you must not be from the planet Earth. Rex Jan 2015 #220

Is it just me? Puglover Jan 2015 #170

Well I agree but different strokes for different folks ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #171

Anything nonconsensual *IS* rape...no "most likely" about it. nt cyberswede Jan 2015 #176

Well I still believe in innocent until proven guilty a concept that seems to be lost here. ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #202

LOL cyberswede Jan 2015 #207

Few things are black and white in life. You best hope for someone like me sitting on your jury if ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #209

I see. You can't show me where anyone in this thread eschews "innocent until proven guilty" cyberswede Jan 2015 #212

Do you know the situation with the people involved? ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #213

Uh huh. It's not clear to me how someone who is passed out can "enjoy" anything cyberswede Jan 2015 #214

Believe it or not people are into all kinds of kink ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #215

Consenting to have sex while one partner is asleep isn't what the OP is talking about cyberswede Jan 2015 #216

This is what really annoys me, with you pontificating about shit madinmaryland Jan 2015 #185

Pontificating? trumad Jan 2015 #192

And don't leave your infant in the bathtub with the water running and go watch TV!! egduj Jan 2015 #188

This post is offensive BEYOND belief. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #195

Yet you participated in it anyway ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #204

my post? trumad Jan 2015 #205

No trumad I posted this in the wrong place I'm sorry. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #217

There was a piece in Jezebel yesterday about frat rushes at UVa this semester Recursion Jan 2015 #199

My alert stalker alerted yesterday... trumad Jan 2015 #210

"Why does this only apply to men?" Rex Jan 2015 #218