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Tom Rinaldo

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75. I never said I thought he could win the election.

Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:32 AM

Jan 2015

I did say:

1) The progressive agenda would be served by Sanders entering the race AND
2) The most likely scenario under which Warren might herself enter the race is triggered by Sanders announcing soon and his
campaign against Clinton commencing in short order.

My reasoning behind those opinions is spelled out more in comments I made above in replies. As to Sanders being more effective than Kucinich, yes I think he is a much more effective spokesperson for a progressive agenda than Kucinich was, and I think we would be well served by having Bernie in the Democratic debates. The public will tune into them to see how Hillary performs, and they will thereby be exposed to Bernie also. I said above that I doubt the 2016 debate stage will be as crowded as it was in 2004, so Bernie would actually have enough time to make his populist left case to the American people. That is something quite rare in a mass media setting.

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Why is the left so focused on Warren when Bernie Sanders is actively considering running? [View all] Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 OP

I know in my case I actually want to be able to vote and support liberal and progressive democratic ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #1

Citizens United was decided by a closely split supreme Court Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #4

I'd say it's almost a lock that Hillary would, relatively early in her Presidency, Maedhros Jan 2015 #40

You need to educate yourself about nationwide elections. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #5

Then we will have nothing but corporate presidents so you might as well embrace the fascism now! ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #6

The winning candidate in 2016 will spend over $1 billion. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #9

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.....Voting for the lessor of 2 evils is still evil no matter how you spin it ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #13

You are incredibly short sighted and your way resulted in Bush. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #15

MMMMM people like me huh let you in on a little secret, I have been voting straight Democratic ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #16

You can have a democratic bad dream or a Republican nightmare Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #22

Actually the nightmare is the number of Democrats that support republican policies and canidates ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #28

welcome to neo liberal underground Ichingcarpenter Jan 2015 #33

What is funny if sooooo many democrats are going to vote for her, over 80% ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #36

Welcome to irrelevancy! FrodosPet Jan 2015 #54

To some here my vote is irrelevant but to the Democratic Party I am relevant because I can and have ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #68

Actually, it was *you're way* that resulted in Bush. Marr Jan 2015 #44

Nope, left wingers for Nader led directly to Bush. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #45

You know, there's a word for people who repeat things that have been proven false. Marr Jan 2015 #48

IT has NEVER been proven false because it is absolutely the reason Bush won. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #49

Kathrine Harris and the Supreme Court stole it for Bush. morningfog Jan 2015 #61

Assuming you are correct, and I have never been convinced that is absolutely the case. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #62

What part are you unconvinced of? morningfog Jan 2015 #63

I am not convinced that Al Gore got more votes in Florida than George Bush. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #64

Fucking lie that you know is false LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #84

The only lie is saying Nader was not the reason we got Bush. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #85

The lie, that your ilk like to repeat, is that all it always the left's fault. LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #86

It WAS the left's fault. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #87

You'd be perfect for Fox, where repeating the same lie over and over is praise worthy LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #88

The only lie that's being repeated is that Nader voters were not responsible for Bush. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #89

I like Warren, her time is not right. Besides the GOP is trying to push people to get her to run. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #83

I think Bernie rocks libodem Jan 2015 #2

Because few believe Sanders has any reasonable chance of winning. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2015 #3

I understand that... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #8

Bernie has my support 100%. HappyMe Jan 2015 #14

We will too. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #20

Good guestion. I am always upset when we see the polls that show how Hillary is doing against jwirr Jan 2015 #7

But it is a chicken-and-egg question malthaussen Jan 2015 #12

Hillary's not a declared candidate either. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #19

Sure, but the difference is that the pollsters WANT Hillary malthaussen Jan 2015 #21

I think that giving air time to any anti-Wall St. campaign is adangerous game for them, Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #30

I've pretty much resigned myself to the Pitchfork Brigade malthaussen Jan 2015 #35

I pretty much share your view of the Overlords. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #37

Problem is, in the 1930's there were still voices of reason on the Right, malthaussen Jan 2015 #39

On the other hand, the Internet has granted common people greater communication resources Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #47

That was a great moment in solidarity, agreed... malthaussen Jan 2015 #52

I agree with you and Jackpine -- this edifice is going to lumber on until it Nay Jan 2015 #58

I wonder if the French aristocrats were this blind to the future before they became the victims of jwirr Jan 2015 #67

And this is why the flying monkeys are launched every time someone mentions Warren or Sanders. winter is coming Jan 2015 #72

We should treat all Presidential Campaign polls as "push polls" right now. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #42

Bernie Sanders is incapable of raising the $1 billion that will be necessary to win the presidency. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #10

I think I address concerns over his relative viability in post #8 above n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #11

"He simply does not have the fund raising chops to be president." PAProgressive28 Jan 2015 #29

Until we can get rid of Citizens United, it's the political reality. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #31

Agree PAProgressive28 Jan 2015 #32

It's a reality we all need to face, whether we like it or not. That's why electing a BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #46

Relative 'dynamism,' imo, Tom. elleng Jan 2015 #17

Beats me. KamaAina Jan 2015 #18

Thank you. Finally someone else says it. PAProgressive28 Jan 2015 #23

Because they want a woman. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #24

To me, that's a big shame. HappyMe Jan 2015 #34

Keep in mind, many trolls are weighing in to the discussion as well. apples and oranges Jan 2015 #25

Yep. And the always rebellious Left are like sheep to the Republican/GOP slaughter. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #50

Bernie Sanders cannot possibly win. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #26

Eugene McCarthy couldn't win either Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #41

America has a bad case of "ageism". nt ladjf Jan 2015 #27

Sanders is 73, Hillary is 67 & Warren is 65 Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #38

because Warren is a registered Dem and Bernie isn't ... yet ... Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #43

+1000 Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #53

Great post. It's almost like Senator Warren is being used as a "strawman" to deflect Zorra Jan 2015 #51

The path to a Warren presidency opens through a Sanders candidacy Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #55

I prefer Bernie on the issues daredtowork Jan 2015 #56

Everyone knows I'm for Hillary, but I think Bernie stumping would be good for Democrats. stevenleser Jan 2015 #57

I agree. He would be excellent at putting out some important issues. Chemisse Jan 2015 #76

I'm probably wrong as ussual but... olddots Jan 2015 #59

IMO. He can't win. outside Jan 2015 #60

I think the opposite would happen. Hillary would move toward the center. stevenleser Jan 2015 #65

I agree. Hillary would most likely move to the center during the primary, and... stillwaiting Jan 2015 #70

Hey, Hillary was one of the last major Democrats to endorse marriage equality, for 17 years she Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #82

She wouldn't have to move to the center against Sanders Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #74

Why? That's easy Android3.14 Jan 2015 #66

Well to run in the Democratic primaries he has to run as a Democrat Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #69

Unlike Warren, Sanders has never been a Republican, much less a Reagan/Bush Supply Side Republican Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #80

Me too. And I like Warren. mmonk Jan 2015 #71

I think you greatly overstate the ability of Bernie Sanders to win in a general election. mythology Jan 2015 #73

I never said I thought he could win the election. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2015 #75

Without reading past the subject line madokie Jan 2015 #77

"Run Bernie Run" fredamae Jan 2015 #78

Perhaps the question poised to those who are pushing for Warren and Bernie be ask why are they so Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #79

Love Liz , wish she would run. Bernie has my support and my vote. Autumn Jan 2015 #81

That's a really good question (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #90

Fear of being red-baited, perhaps? Sanders styles himself a 'Socialist' (even though the label KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #91