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daredtowork

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34. It is hard to tell from the Guardian article
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jan 2015

There's also a note at the bottom saying the article has been edited. The original suggested the "feminists" were all banned and the Gamergaters left alone. The problem with Wikipedia, however, is general - it's not with that one article. And, IMHO, the same problem would develop in any context where there is crowd-sourcing (anarchy/gang-rule), a deep rule set (that can be "gamed&quot , and an underlying culture of science-rational-poseur-putdowning of the Other.

If that last point seems like I'm against science - I'm not. I'm against the tendency of men to be identified with science and to automatically gain the upper-hand and the authority of "neutrality" from that. The reason this is especially associated with Wikipedia is they used to have a "Not Neutral Point of View" tag that was used in edit wars to condemn anything that was critique/other, even if it was sourced. Whole articles could be slapped with NPOV at the top, and it was difficult to get this removed. Anything that is controversial will have this problem. The white male privileged pov will be scientific and authoritative - everyone elses will be "not neutral".

To give you some insight into the distortion of perspective we are talking about here - just a couple of months ago a disabled performance artist asked me to help him because his entry in Wikipedia was being questioned. He had a considerable body of work, media coverage, a play performed at the Kennedy Center, work in an online exhibit at the Smithsonian, and his papers archived at a world class university. He was an important voice in the independent living movement. I had to ARGUE for his notability. Several times. Do you think anyone has to argue for an entry on the latest cool anime? "Neutral" at Wikipedia is what the gangs who rule there think is "notable".

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i stopped using wiki a couple years ago, seeing definitions change to mra voice, with feminist seabeyond Jan 2015 #1
Here's the current Wikipedia summary of Gamergate. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #18
Answering that question would require an admission that this OP is BS. Bonobo Jan 2015 #22
I'm genuinely curious. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #36
Just like the GOP Congress. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #2
That blows straight past "bad optics" and directly into the realm of ... 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #3
Fuck GamerGate. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #4
Seriously. KamaAina Jan 2015 #5
^^^ Hong Kong Cavalier Jan 2015 #19
Indeed, fuck Gamer Gate. But Wikipedia is blameless here as far as I can see. Bonobo Jan 2015 #23
I am vehemently opposed to the GamerGate anti-feminists. Maedhros Jan 2015 #6
Unless Wikipedias ToS prohibits women from editing articles... Lancero Jan 2015 #12
I'm sure that Wikipedia has guidelines for banning bad actors. Maedhros Jan 2015 #13
With how broadly they ruled, it's pretty much what happened. Lancero Jan 2015 #15
It looks like this is the Wikipedia rule relevant to this situation: Maedhros Jan 2015 #20
Wikipedia has long used Pseudo-Neutrality and Obscure-rule Mongering daredtowork Jan 2015 #26
I have no feelings for Wikipedia one way or another. Maedhros Jan 2015 #33
It is hard to tell from the Guardian article daredtowork Jan 2015 #34
Agreed - Wikipedia is fundamentally flawed. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #35
They were censored because of the excessive number of edits they had made to the site. Maedhros Jan 2015 #32
It's the first step of a multi-step byzantine process; nobody is as of yet banned Recursion Jan 2015 #25
On the surface, that sounds like bull shit joeglow3 Jan 2015 #7
Now there's a wonderfully biased and non-loaded article... Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #8
Here's another Lancero Jan 2015 #14
One thing this article skates over daredtowork Jan 2015 #28
I know next to nothing about this controversy Waiting For Everyman Jan 2015 #9
I never use Wiki for anything but the most surface definitions. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #10
Dealing with the credit card company is a pain... Lancero Jan 2015 #11
Seems to be a misunderstanding of how wikipedia works. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #16
It's not a misunderstanding mythology Jan 2015 #27
Well you can cloak it in your media theory daredtowork Jan 2015 #31
anyone who thinks Wikipedia is gender unbiased blackcrow Jan 2015 #17
Do you have examples? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #21
I haven't regularly edited wikipedia since around 2007 daredtowork Jan 2015 #29
I've been following a Wikipedia editors site after hearing about this... Lancero Jan 2015 #24
Sue these people shenmue Jan 2015 #30
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