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kpete

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Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:49 PM Jan 2015

Working until they dropped dead kept the old people from becoming moochers and parasites, dontchakno [View all]

The elderly poor had it so good back in the day

Paul Rosenberg has a very interesting interview on Salon with Nancy Altman and Eric Kingson, authors of
"Social Security Works!"
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/31/tea_partyers_union_members_democrats_republicans_all_love_social_security_so_lets_expand_it/

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Rosenberg: You point out that before Social Security came into being, old age and poverty were synonymous, and old age was commonly looked at with dread. Few people alive today have any memory of that, but could you talk about that reality, what it was like, and what kind of difference Social Security made?

Altman: When Social Security was enacted, every state except New Mexico had poorhouses. I know that sounds like Dickens, but this is just 80 years ago. The residents—they were called “inmates”—were not working-age people, or children; they tended to be people who have been independent all their lives, but dependent on wages. When they were no longer able to work, if they didn’t have children who could take them in, they literally went to the poorhouse. It was often common at that time that if the worker died, the family would split apart. Orphanages were full of children who still had a parent living who couldn’t support those children. Often you’d see people begging on the streets; there were lots of stories about that.

Yes, these poorhouses existed all the way up until the 1930s.

Here's what the population looked like:






The second one is a poorhouse broom factory. Working until they dropped dead kept the old people from becoming moochers and parasites, dontchaknow.

Conservatives won't admit that this is the system we will inevitably adopt if they have their way. It's where their philosophy leads. Sure, some people will have children who will be forced to take them in at the expense of their own kids. And some people will make enough money in their lifetime to be able to support themselves in old age (assuming they don't have to spend every penny on medical care, which is probable.) But in the conservative/libertarian system this will be the inevitable end for a whole lot of people.

By the way, they are also trying to destroy disability insurance and are questioning whether mental illness really exists, so there are going to be a lot of folks in the poorhouse. They seem to be willing to spend whatever it takes to keep massive numbers of people in prison however, so I'd imagine that most of the sick, old and mentally ill poor could wind up there, so that's good. They'll have a roof over their heads at least.



More, plus links:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-elderly-poor-had-it-so-good-back-in.html
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There were also "poor farms" and orphanages. Lars39 Jan 2015 #1
I recently met a man who grew up on a poor farm. silverweb Jan 2015 #18
They actually existed past the 30s. For example: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #2
K&R for the truth! Coventina Jan 2015 #3
Koch brother porn. onehandle Jan 2015 #4
The only problem is ymetca Jan 2015 #5
Have you checked the Medicaid in your state? If her earnings is low there is some assistance Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #6
did you even read the post? the woman has nearly enough to pay for a place in assisted living. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #7
HEY, did you read the post? here you go again, when someone needs the help you come up with this, I Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #8
yeah, it would really help that family if one of the people in it with income went on the state and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #9
And where have you helped, if the family has not gone to check on Medicaid in their state and Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #10
yeah, you were a big help you're always helping by running down the ssdi program and advocating ND-Dem Jan 2015 #12
Give your proof the links I furnished you in the past are phantom cheaters. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #14
the extra resources needed to track down less than 1% of the caseload = more than the gain. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #15
Proof, sent me the links where those I provided to you are phantom cheaters. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #16
i don't have to prove anythng to you. everyone's seen you running around talking up SSDI 'fraud' ND-Dem Jan 2015 #17
Oh, phantom proof, yes, I do not see proof, so your accusations are phantom proof. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #19
Everyone's seen what you're pushing ND-Dem Jan 2015 #21
What everyone does not see is your proof of phantom cheaters is not true, what are you pushing. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #22
Typical third-wayer Aerows Jan 2015 #39
Medicaid ymetca Jan 2015 #11
There just may be some programs to help in assisting with her care such as some home health Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #13
what don't you get about MEDICAID TAKES EVERYTHING. You're not on Medicaid, and putting ND-Dem Jan 2015 #20
Get over yourself, where is your proof where medicaid takes everything, when you get Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #23
I think what happens is medicaid pays x dollars and the nursing home charges 4X for care. LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #26
At one time this was true, it has changed, the non institutionalized spouse gets to remain in the Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #31
oh, MEDICARE it is, now? Maybe you better read your previous posts. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #30
What Medicare are you talking about, dont get yourself confused. Just for Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #32
Better read your own post 23 and quit namecalling ND-Dem Jan 2015 #35
See, you are confusing the truth, what name did I call you? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #36
see, you're deflecting from the fact that you said "MEDICARE" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #37
OK, I typed wrong, it is now corrected. What about your statement where Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #38
thank you for the reality check, ymetca Skittles Jan 2015 #33
Has she been vetted as needing assisted living and not independent living? MADem Jan 2015 #29
K&R napkinz Jan 2015 #24
As far as the mental illness part goes, that only applies when rednecks shoot innocent people with world wide wally Jan 2015 #25
Why don't they borrow some Turbineguy Jan 2015 #27
There's always the trust fund. Mitt or maybe it was W who had to dig into his. rickford66 Jan 2015 #34
Yep, that way of life keep em strong back then. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2015 #28
K&R! smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #40
I've heard people in their 20s say that people who still have to work unto death are moochers. intheflow Feb 2015 #41
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