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32. Your argument is specious

Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:09 PM

Jan 2015

At least have the honesty to say that your hypothetical policeman would say, "I tossed four houses without a warrant, shot down six people at random, and jailed another 20 who looked funny to me. But I'm pretty sure each and every one of them was dealing drugs or planning murders or about to go on a thieving spree." The activities Hayden is bragging about - torture, murder, kidnapping, turning people over to torturers, bombing of civilian centers - are all clearly illegal on their face. Arresting someone for speeding isn't the same thing at all. Either you know that and you're being incredibly dishonest for some reason, or you don't know that and you're incredibly stupid and stubborn (traits that nobody except his fellow sociopaths found very endearing in Hayden's boss).

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Former Director of NSA & CIA: "I didn't need to ask 'mother, may I' from Congress or president" [View all] kpete Jan 2015 OP

Kinda makes you want to watch this documentary NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #1

Or this: A Feature Interview with NSA Whistleblower William Binney johnnyreb Jan 2015 #23

Binney has boxes and boxes of sour grapes in his root cellar jmowreader Jan 2015 #47

I've often wondered why Hayden wasn't fired or indicted after 9/11 and the Iraq WMD frauds leveymg Jan 2015 #2

He is a member of the Deep State and can not be fired by the President. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #11

In other words, he answers to no one. Sanity Claws Jan 2015 #3

Throw the slimy bastard in jail for treason as well as lying under oath to congress repeatedly peacebird Jan 2015 #4

Guy is a proud soldier of Capitalism's Invisible Army. Octafish Jan 2015 #5

What a cool site.... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #30

Thanks, dixiegrrrrl! Octafish Jan 2015 #37

Lord Acton's 100 Best books"...gulp. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #38

Given that the U.S. has been ignominiously defeated in KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #6

Silly argument, like saying we have not stopped car accidents with controlling speed. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #8

Mortality and injury rates go way down when slower speed limits are KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #9

Can you imagine if every person who works for government agencies has to ask Congress Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #7

Hayden has a different constitution jakeXT Jan 2015 #10

Did not see a "may I" but did you see or hear anything about a warrant? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #17

is this addressed to Hayden, kpete Jan 2015 #12

It is a point, can you imagine asking "may I' before doing anything every day and it would have to Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #18

Can you imagine asking the victims . . . gratuitous Jan 2015 #15

Not everyone has to crow about what they do, do you hear a policeman running out everyday saying Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #19

Your argument is specious gratuitous Jan 2015 #32

You finish your post with all the answers I need from you, I am honest. The ridiculous interpertion Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #35

So it's stupid and stubborn, then gratuitous Jan 2015 #39

That would be a good thing, have you thought about taking your Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #40

It's a one trick pony cut and paste Autumn Jan 2015 #48

Yeah gratuitous Jan 2015 #49

You are defending a person who is in charge of an agency that states he answers to no one? Autumn Jan 2015 #16

Did you ask "may I" before you posted? Can you be trusted to ask "may I" before your activity Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #20

You know what? There is a big fucking difference. A big fucking difference. Autumn Jan 2015 #21

Good, since so much spinning goes on sometimes there is a need to see a larger picture. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #22

Changed my mind. I'm not going to do that, Too many posters work on getting good DUers to ignore Autumn Jan 2015 #24

I was pointing out how ridiculous the "may I" really is, who expects anyone to ask "may I"? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #25

You skip over his assertion that he interprets the Constitution. That is no fucking "may I". Autumn Jan 2015 #26

Maybe you interpret the Constitution differently than he does or even the SC, the end decision Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #27

You are trying an argument that would suit my 6th grade Granddaughter and her friends. Autumn Jan 2015 #29

My point exactly, this argument NSA is not following the Constitution can be understood by even Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #31

You don't have a point, at least a point relevant to what Hayden said in the video. This is NOT Autumn Jan 2015 #33

Have you ever thought about taking your argument through the court Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #42

Bush and Rumsfeld knew the protocol too and nothing stopped them from doing their job either. Autumn Jan 2015 #43

Are you talking about the warrantless wiretaps? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #44

This is so dumb!! Haha. elias49 Jan 2015 #41

It was dumb to think the president and congress has time to answer every question Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #57

We (used to be) a nation of laws. elias49 Feb 2015 #58

I am serious, we are a nation of laws, again what law has he broken? Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #59

Who was the half-wit who implied every government employee should be required to do that? LanternWaste Feb 2015 #55

The hubris of the powerful and sociopathic is in evidence. Public servant isn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #13

"movable feast" - What an odd phrase hootinholler Jan 2015 #14

The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants. Albert Camus Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #28

Stealing that one, I am. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #34

I do believe that you sent it to me and I stole it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #36

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #45

The Bush Administration's favorite useful idiot Major Nikon Jan 2015 #46

What do you have against penises? merrily Feb 2015 #52

Nothing Major Nikon Feb 2015 #53

Hayden is repulsive. Penises are not. merrily Feb 2015 #54

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Congratulations for handing bin Laden his victory, douchebag. Richardo Feb 2015 #51

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