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Journeyman

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12. What do we do, though, with those who refuse to vaccinate themselves or their children? . . .

Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:40 PM

Jan 2015

I've read a lot over the years, and especially in the past week or so about this issue, and it certainly seems a "sticky wicket" of Constitutional questions.

Some argue unvaccinated children should not be allowed in public schools. That's been the policy here in California for years. However, it's not too hard to opt out. And the people who contracted measles this time did so at a public venue, Disneyland, a place designed for children. So how do we protect ourselves and our loved ones from people who base their decisions on what we perceive as faulty information and bad choices, but which they recognize as a Constitutional and ethical right? How do we reconcile a concern for public health with our respect for the Constitutional issues raised by "mandatory" medical procedures?

I'm flummoxed, and see no easy answers to a bewildering debate.

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Yes, Virginia there ARE Two Sides to Vaccines [View all] McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 OP

My ggUncle died from tetanus, sounds like a horrific way to go. nt Mnemosyne Jan 2015 #1

It is. Treant Jan 2015 #9

Kicking this for Science Hekate Jan 2015 #2

Thank you for your very rational and well-thought-out post! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #3

My doctor invaded my body with a tetanus booster last year. onehandle Jan 2015 #4

K&R abelenkpe Jan 2015 #5

Yay reality shenmue Jan 2015 #6

Nice! ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #7

Good post.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #8

Agreed, with one exception: Aristus Jan 2015 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author PADemD Jan 2015 #10

The other side of the polygon daredtowork Jan 2015 #11

I don't really want our top research scientists taking time out of developing cures to debate stevenleser Jan 2015 #25

Well if you're going to think of that way daredtowork Jan 2015 #32

Agreed, it is best if scientists continue their research than spending all of Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #36

What do we do, though, with those who refuse to vaccinate themselves or their children? . . . Journeyman Jan 2015 #12

We don't provide clothing exemptions to children of nudists. Barack_America Jan 2015 #17

So you propose that the unvaccinated must be kept under house arrest at all times? . . . Journeyman Jan 2015 #22

If there is a child in the school who cannot be vaccinated... Barack_America Jan 2015 #23

But again, what do we do when those children go to the park, or share a communal swimming pool? . . . Journeyman Jan 2015 #27

Parents of unvaccinated children are putting their children at risk, I Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #38

i think we need some really crushing, killer lawsuits on the manufacturers Demeter Jan 2015 #13

Which defective vaccines have killed children and this was ignored? Name them. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #14

MMR Vaccine in Ukraine (2008) - Death and 92 Hospitalizations Demeter Jan 2015 #29

SEE ALSO: The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis Demeter Jan 2015 #31

That's terrifying! Liberal Veteran Jan 2015 #40

16 deaths an hour from measles vs 1 death from a vaccine. uppityperson Jan 2015 #52

Without the federal fund and immunity we would have NO vaccines in the US. McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #15

Ironic that people don't have as large families any more due to conquering childhood diseases, Thor_MN Jan 2015 #43

You, Sir, are an idiot Demeter Jan 2015 #44

I don't think you are entirely correct. Adrahil Jan 2015 #46

Margaret Sanger started the modern birth control clinic in 1917 Demeter Jan 2015 #49

Condoms have been used for centuries... Adrahil Feb 2015 #59

Reducing/eliminating childhood diseases has had an effect on family sizes. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #48

Elimination of preventable childhood diseases does, in many cases, have an effect on how many uppityperson Jan 2015 #53

I was a single MMR doser who lost immunity as an adult. Barack_America Jan 2015 #16

I'm not 100% if I got the MMR REP Jan 2015 #18

Get a titer done. You could have had the dead vaccine. McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #19

I was born in '70 AwakeAtLast Jan 2015 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author myrna minx Feb 2015 #72

I hadn't heard of this. Thanks for the info - I need to check to see if I need a booster too. myrna minx Feb 2015 #74

The nice thing about the tetnus vaccine I got is that it also Vattel Jan 2015 #24

Likely Diptheria. I think the shot is called DTP. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #26

Yes, thanks, I think that was it. Vattel Jan 2015 #28

You're right, except it's called DPT. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #30

DPT - Diptheria, Pertussis, Tetanus. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #76

I constantly keep my child up-to-date on vaccinations xmas74 Jan 2015 #33

With ALL the due respect awarded medical professionals, may I recommend this to be read in full? proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #34

Autism has been proven in multiple studies to have absolutely no correlation with vaccines. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #50

Flawed sources. How many were authored by a fugitive? ANS. 21, according to Congressional testimony. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #54

Suppose you are right. How many studies were not? Thor_MN Feb 2015 #55

Again, selectively ignoring inconvenient science is an unsustainable approach. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #57

Yes, ignoring that Wakefield is a fraud and post the same links over and over Thor_MN Feb 2015 #58

That's the official story/FULL STOP. Change subject or tempt me to 'post the same links over & over' proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #60

I have no illusion that purveyors of woo can be convinced that their faith based misinformation Thor_MN Feb 2015 #63

Baloney. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #64

I agree, you Age of Autism post are baloney Thor_MN Feb 2015 #66

Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institutes of Health, in 2008: proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #65

More. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #67

How many times are you guys going to keep pushing that Thompson story NuclearDem Feb 2015 #68

Wrong, unfortunately. Hey, let's make all the relevant CDC raw data OPEN SOURCE. (nt) proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #69

Jake Crosby's blog? You've got to be kidding me. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #71

Again, there are multiple, multiple sudies proving no link. Thor_MN Feb 2015 #75

That's the official story; too bad it ignores all nuance. Read Dr.Poling's Op-Ed from 2008. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #78

Don't you get tired of searching for BS Links? Thor_MN Feb 2015 #79

I'm a nutjob. blackcrow Jan 2015 #35

The fact that some people are allergic to penicillin doesn't mean it isn't a lifesaver. Liberal Veteran Jan 2015 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #41

Sorry but your post if full of logical fallacies LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #42

Here's a fun fact you may find amusing REP Feb 2015 #62

Yes, you are still anti-science. Just more specifically stevenleser Jan 2015 #47

You know the actual flu causes GBS at a greater rate than the vaccine, right? Recursion Feb 2015 #56

Your comment doesn't ring true for someone with a science or technical education background. Maedhros Feb 2015 #77

I had the measles vaccine when it first came out vankuria Jan 2015 #39

I can attest to one thing in this Aerows Jan 2015 #45

Great post! Smallpox too.... Avalux Jan 2015 #51

A lot of people did resist the smallpox vaccination, and for a very long time. MineralMan Feb 2015 #61

On the bright side, if you get tetanus, you'll die with a smile on your face. n/t backscatter712 Feb 2015 #70

Ben Franklin was for vaccinations: Kingofalldems Feb 2015 #73