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In reply to the discussion: Yes, Virginia there ARE Two Sides to Vaccines [View all]Demeter
(85,373 posts)29. MMR Vaccine in Ukraine (2008) - Death and 92 Hospitalizations
http://www.vaccines.me/articles/bwwbp-mmr-vaccine-in-ukraine-2008---death-and-92-hospitalizations.cfm
Various coverage on this incident involving Trevisac - a strain of the MMR vaccine used in Ukraine in 2008.
This report from RIA Novosti:
"KIEV, May 18 (RIA Novosti) - A total of 92 people, including 87 children, were hospitalized in eastern Ukraine as of early Sunday after measles vaccination, Ukraine's emergencies ministry said.
On May 13, a 17-year-old boy died after measles inoculation in the Donetsk Region. Two days later, over 60 people in eastern Ukraine were hospitalized after vaccination. A total of over 20,000 people in the region received the same vaccine.
Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko said he was concerned over the teenager's death and demanded from the Ukrainian health ministry to take all measures to prevent such instances in the future."
By now, measles immunization has been halted in Ukraine.
Another report from Russia Today:
Ukraine halts deadly vaccination
The Ukrainian Ministry of health has called a moratorium on mandatory vaccination against measles and rubella. The President of Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko, has insisted that vaccination is carried out on a voluntary basis only. This comes after more than 100 pupils were taken to hospital, one of whom died after having been injected with a vaccine from India.
Last week Ukraine was shaken by the news of a teenager's death. Senior pupil Anton Tishchenko died in intensive care in a hospital in the city of Kramatorsk in Donetsk Region after he'd been given the vaccine against measles and rubella (Tresivac ZA 26-X). Later, dozens more teenagers who'd received the same medication were rushed to hospital in Kramatorsk alone. Similar situations were reported in the cities of Donetsk, Kharkov and Kremenchug amongst others.
By Friday night a total of 87 people had been admitted to hospital with the same symptoms: high blood pressure, splitting headache, high temperature and sore throat.
Medical officials urged journalists not to spread unverified frightening stories. They said that the vaccine from the Indian enterprise Serum Institute of India, which had been delivered to Ukraine as humanitarian aid by UNICEF, is not just safe but considered to be the best in the world. They said this vaccine was certificated and registered in Ukraine, but never showed the above mentioned documents to the citizens.
Schoolmates of the deceased Anton Tishchenko say they were told that the vaccination was obligatory and urgent. Therefore many of them did not even have the time to inform their parents about the vaccination.
We'll do everything not to lose any more lives, said Vasily Knyazevich, the head of the Ministry of health. In turn, Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has ordered a thorough investigation into the purchasing process of the medication.
Here is some information on the vaccine itself from the Serum Institute website. In the news reports we are not told that this an MMR vaccine.
COMPOSITION
TRESIVAC" is prepared from live attenuated strains of Edmonston-Zagreb measles virus propagated on human diploid cell culture, L-Zagreb mumps virus propagated on chick embryo fibroblast cells and Wistar RA 27/3 rubella virus propagated on human diploid cell culture.
The reconstituted vaccine contains, in single dose of 0.5 ml. not less than
1000 CCID50 of measles virus
5000 CCID50 of mumps virus
1000 CCID50 of rubella virus.
Diluent : Sterile water for injection.
The vaccine meets the requirements of USP and WHO when tested by the methods outlined in USP and WHO, TRS 840 (1994).
More quotes from a report on the Kyiv Post website:
Teenager's death spurs vaccination questions, fears
...Anton Tyshchenko, a 17-year old from Kramatorsk, died from a measles vaccine in May this year. The serum was developed in India and apparently wasn't tested in Ukraine, according to the findings of two investigation commissions. They also found the boy did not actually need a vaccination at all because he had already been immunized twice....
...Tyshchenko was vaccinated in school on May 12. A few hours later, he started feeling sick and developed a fever. He was hospitalized the same night, but died eight hours after the vaccine was injected. There is a direct cause-effect relation between Anton Tyshchenko's death and his vaccination for measles and rubella, Prosecutor General Oleksandr Medvedko said in his interview with Fakty daily last month....
...WHO and UNICEF, however, insisted there was nothing wrong with the vaccine. The measles and rubella vaccine used in Ukraine is pre-qualified by WHO and produced in accordance with the highest international standards by the Serum Institute of India, the largest producer of measles and rubella vaccine globally, wrote Maryanna Zaichykova, a communications assistant at UNICEF Ukraine, in response to questions from the Kyiv Post. Zaichykova said that the septic shock that caused the teenagers death was unrelated to immunization....
...As more gruesome details about mass vaccination come out into public light, more Ukrainians are turning away from vaccinations. Some data suggests that the number of parents who refuse to vaccinate their children has grown two or three-fold this year, and even more in Kyiv.
Vyacheslav Kostylev, head of the League of Civil Rights Protection, a non-government organization, said the number of people who ask for legal help on how to refuse vaccinating their children is growing...
FOLLOW-UP:
Various coverage on this incident involving Trevisac - a strain of the MMR vaccine used in Ukraine in 2008.
This report from RIA Novosti:
"KIEV, May 18 (RIA Novosti) - A total of 92 people, including 87 children, were hospitalized in eastern Ukraine as of early Sunday after measles vaccination, Ukraine's emergencies ministry said.
On May 13, a 17-year-old boy died after measles inoculation in the Donetsk Region. Two days later, over 60 people in eastern Ukraine were hospitalized after vaccination. A total of over 20,000 people in the region received the same vaccine.
Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko said he was concerned over the teenager's death and demanded from the Ukrainian health ministry to take all measures to prevent such instances in the future."
By now, measles immunization has been halted in Ukraine.
Another report from Russia Today:
Ukraine halts deadly vaccination
The Ukrainian Ministry of health has called a moratorium on mandatory vaccination against measles and rubella. The President of Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko, has insisted that vaccination is carried out on a voluntary basis only. This comes after more than 100 pupils were taken to hospital, one of whom died after having been injected with a vaccine from India.
Last week Ukraine was shaken by the news of a teenager's death. Senior pupil Anton Tishchenko died in intensive care in a hospital in the city of Kramatorsk in Donetsk Region after he'd been given the vaccine against measles and rubella (Tresivac ZA 26-X). Later, dozens more teenagers who'd received the same medication were rushed to hospital in Kramatorsk alone. Similar situations were reported in the cities of Donetsk, Kharkov and Kremenchug amongst others.
By Friday night a total of 87 people had been admitted to hospital with the same symptoms: high blood pressure, splitting headache, high temperature and sore throat.
Medical officials urged journalists not to spread unverified frightening stories. They said that the vaccine from the Indian enterprise Serum Institute of India, which had been delivered to Ukraine as humanitarian aid by UNICEF, is not just safe but considered to be the best in the world. They said this vaccine was certificated and registered in Ukraine, but never showed the above mentioned documents to the citizens.
Schoolmates of the deceased Anton Tishchenko say they were told that the vaccination was obligatory and urgent. Therefore many of them did not even have the time to inform their parents about the vaccination.
We'll do everything not to lose any more lives, said Vasily Knyazevich, the head of the Ministry of health. In turn, Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has ordered a thorough investigation into the purchasing process of the medication.
Here is some information on the vaccine itself from the Serum Institute website. In the news reports we are not told that this an MMR vaccine.
COMPOSITION
TRESIVAC" is prepared from live attenuated strains of Edmonston-Zagreb measles virus propagated on human diploid cell culture, L-Zagreb mumps virus propagated on chick embryo fibroblast cells and Wistar RA 27/3 rubella virus propagated on human diploid cell culture.
The reconstituted vaccine contains, in single dose of 0.5 ml. not less than
1000 CCID50 of measles virus
5000 CCID50 of mumps virus
1000 CCID50 of rubella virus.
Diluent : Sterile water for injection.
The vaccine meets the requirements of USP and WHO when tested by the methods outlined in USP and WHO, TRS 840 (1994).
More quotes from a report on the Kyiv Post website:
Teenager's death spurs vaccination questions, fears
...Anton Tyshchenko, a 17-year old from Kramatorsk, died from a measles vaccine in May this year. The serum was developed in India and apparently wasn't tested in Ukraine, according to the findings of two investigation commissions. They also found the boy did not actually need a vaccination at all because he had already been immunized twice....
...Tyshchenko was vaccinated in school on May 12. A few hours later, he started feeling sick and developed a fever. He was hospitalized the same night, but died eight hours after the vaccine was injected. There is a direct cause-effect relation between Anton Tyshchenko's death and his vaccination for measles and rubella, Prosecutor General Oleksandr Medvedko said in his interview with Fakty daily last month....
...WHO and UNICEF, however, insisted there was nothing wrong with the vaccine. The measles and rubella vaccine used in Ukraine is pre-qualified by WHO and produced in accordance with the highest international standards by the Serum Institute of India, the largest producer of measles and rubella vaccine globally, wrote Maryanna Zaichykova, a communications assistant at UNICEF Ukraine, in response to questions from the Kyiv Post. Zaichykova said that the septic shock that caused the teenagers death was unrelated to immunization....
...As more gruesome details about mass vaccination come out into public light, more Ukrainians are turning away from vaccinations. Some data suggests that the number of parents who refuse to vaccinate their children has grown two or three-fold this year, and even more in Kyiv.
Vyacheslav Kostylev, head of the League of Civil Rights Protection, a non-government organization, said the number of people who ask for legal help on how to refuse vaccinating their children is growing...
FOLLOW-UP:
Ukraines Low Vaccination Rate May Start European Epidemic
http://sputniknews.com/society/20150128/1017443935.html
Ukraine poses a serious threat to Europe due to an extremely low level of vaccination against poliomyelitis, Minister of Healthcare of Ukraine, Alexander Kvitashvili, said during a press conference in Vinnytsia in west-central Ukraine.
HIV cases among 30-40 year-olds on increase in Russia
© Sputnik/ Sergei Veniavskiy
Russian HIV Vaccine Passes 2nd Clinical Trial Phase, Health Ministry Says
"Polio vaccination coverage is less than 30%. This is the level of less-developed African countries; it's a disaster. In general, vaccination of the population and children should be part of countrys security," Kvitashvili said, cited by UNIAN.
The minister also added that Ukraine is currently discussing with UNICEF the possibility of raising funds for childrens vaccination in the country....
http://sputniknews.com/society/20150128/1017443935.html
Ukraine poses a serious threat to Europe due to an extremely low level of vaccination against poliomyelitis, Minister of Healthcare of Ukraine, Alexander Kvitashvili, said during a press conference in Vinnytsia in west-central Ukraine.
HIV cases among 30-40 year-olds on increase in Russia
© Sputnik/ Sergei Veniavskiy
Russian HIV Vaccine Passes 2nd Clinical Trial Phase, Health Ministry Says
"Polio vaccination coverage is less than 30%. This is the level of less-developed African countries; it's a disaster. In general, vaccination of the population and children should be part of countrys security," Kvitashvili said, cited by UNIAN.
The minister also added that Ukraine is currently discussing with UNICEF the possibility of raising funds for childrens vaccination in the country....
Bill Gates and 47,500 Cases of Paralysis
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/04/18/bill-gates-47500-paralysis-cases/
From Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on by Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel at Medical Ethics http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/202co114.html:
..In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP (non-polio acute flaccid paralysis). Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Through this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated.
The Oral Polio Vaccines were given to Indian children. The CDC dropped the OPV from its vaccine schedule in the US because it was causing polio.
In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960s to 2000) was the principal if not sole cause of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 . (The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues.) In 1992, the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States. In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine. Authorities claim the vaccine was responsible for about eight cases of polio every year. However, an independent study that analyzed the governments own vaccine database during a recent period of less than five years uncovered 13,641 reports of adverse events following use of the oral polio vaccine. These reports included 6,364 emergency room visits and 540 deaths (Figure 3). Public outrage at these tragedies became the impetus for removing the oral polio vaccine from immunization schedules.
Did Gates not know the OPV had been dropped in the US as he suggested he wanted to bring the same good health to third world countries as Western countries enjoyed? If he did not know, is he pushing vaccines on the worlds children without such basic and truly critical information?
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/04/18/bill-gates-47500-paralysis-cases/
From Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on by Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel at Medical Ethics http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/202co114.html:
..In 2011 there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP (non-polio acute flaccid paralysis). Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Through this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated.
The Oral Polio Vaccines were given to Indian children. The CDC dropped the OPV from its vaccine schedule in the US because it was causing polio.
In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960s to 2000) was the principal if not sole cause of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 . (The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues.) In 1992, the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States. In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine. Authorities claim the vaccine was responsible for about eight cases of polio every year. However, an independent study that analyzed the governments own vaccine database during a recent period of less than five years uncovered 13,641 reports of adverse events following use of the oral polio vaccine. These reports included 6,364 emergency room visits and 540 deaths (Figure 3). Public outrage at these tragedies became the impetus for removing the oral polio vaccine from immunization schedules.
Did Gates not know the OPV had been dropped in the US as he suggested he wanted to bring the same good health to third world countries as Western countries enjoyed? If he did not know, is he pushing vaccines on the worlds children without such basic and truly critical information?
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I don't really want our top research scientists taking time out of developing cures to debate
stevenleser
Jan 2015
#25
Agreed, it is best if scientists continue their research than spending all of
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#36
What do we do, though, with those who refuse to vaccinate themselves or their children? . . .
Journeyman
Jan 2015
#12
So you propose that the unvaccinated must be kept under house arrest at all times? . . .
Journeyman
Jan 2015
#22
But again, what do we do when those children go to the park, or share a communal swimming pool? . . .
Journeyman
Jan 2015
#27
Which defective vaccines have killed children and this was ignored? Name them.
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#14
SEE ALSO: The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis
Demeter
Jan 2015
#31
Without the federal fund and immunity we would have NO vaccines in the US.
McCamy Taylor
Jan 2015
#15
Ironic that people don't have as large families any more due to conquering childhood diseases,
Thor_MN
Jan 2015
#43
Elimination of preventable childhood diseases does, in many cases, have an effect on how many
uppityperson
Jan 2015
#53
I hadn't heard of this. Thanks for the info - I need to check to see if I need a booster too.
myrna minx
Feb 2015
#74
With ALL the due respect awarded medical professionals, may I recommend this to be read in full?
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2015
#34
Autism has been proven in multiple studies to have absolutely no correlation with vaccines.
Thor_MN
Jan 2015
#50
Flawed sources. How many were authored by a fugitive? ANS. 21, according to Congressional testimony.
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#54
Again, selectively ignoring inconvenient science is an unsustainable approach.
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#57
That's the official story/FULL STOP. Change subject or tempt me to 'post the same links over & over'
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#60
I have no illusion that purveyors of woo can be convinced that their faith based misinformation
Thor_MN
Feb 2015
#63
Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institutes of Health, in 2008:
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#65
Wrong, unfortunately. Hey, let's make all the relevant CDC raw data OPEN SOURCE. (nt)
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#69
That's the official story; too bad it ignores all nuance. Read Dr.Poling's Op-Ed from 2008.
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#78
The fact that some people are allergic to penicillin doesn't mean it isn't a lifesaver.
Liberal Veteran
Jan 2015
#37
You know the actual flu causes GBS at a greater rate than the vaccine, right?
Recursion
Feb 2015
#56
Your comment doesn't ring true for someone with a science or technical education background.
Maedhros
Feb 2015
#77
A lot of people did resist the smallpox vaccination, and for a very long time.
MineralMan
Feb 2015
#61
On the bright side, if you get tetanus, you'll die with a smile on your face. n/t
backscatter712
Feb 2015
#70