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uppityperson

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82. Because rabies vxs are preventing pets from getting rabies, they are vaccinating needlessly? WTF?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/index.html
Over the last 100 years, rabies in the United States has changed dramatically. More than 90% of all animal cases reported annually to CDC now occur in wildlife; before 1960 the majority were in domestic animals. The principal rabies hosts today are wild carnivores and bats.
The number of rabies-related human deaths in the United States has declined from more than 100 annually at the turn of the century to one or two per year in the 1990's. Modern day prophylaxis has proven nearly 100% successful.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_rabies#United_States
Southern United States[edit]
Rabies was once rare in the United States outside the Southern states, but raccoons in the mid-Atlantic and northeast United States have been suffering from a rabies epidemic since the 1970s, that is now moving westwards into Ohio.[13]

The particular variant of the virus has been identified in the southeastern United States raccoon population since the 1950s, and is believed to have traveled to the northeast as the result of infected raccoons being among those caught and transported from the southeast to the northeast by human hunters attempting to replenish the declining northeast raccoon population.[14] As a result, urban residents of these areas have become more wary of the large but normally unseen urban raccoon population. It has become the common assumption that any raccoon seen diurnally is infected; certainly the reported behavior of most such animals appears to show some sort of illness, and necropsies can confirm rabies. Whether as a result of increased vigilance or only the common human avoidance reaction to any other animal not normally seen, such as a raccoon, there has only been one documented human rabies case as a result of this variant.[15][16] This does not include, however, the greatly increasing rate of prophylactic rabies treatments in cases of possible exposure, which numbered fewer than one hundred humans annually in the state of New York before 1990, for instance, but rose to approximately ten thousand annually between 1990 and 1995. At approximately $1,500 per course of treatment, this represents a considerable public health expenditure. Raccoons do constitute approximately 50% of the approximately eight thousand documented non-human rabies cases in the United States.[17] Domestic animals constitute only 8% of rabies cases, but are increasing at a rapid rate.[17]



In the midwestern United States, skunks are the primary carriers of rabies, composing 134 of the 237 documented non-human cases in 1996. The most widely distributed reservoir of rabies in the United States, however, and the source of most human cases in the U.S., are bats. Nineteen of the twenty-two human rabies cases documented in the United States between 1980 and 1997 have been identified genetically as bat rabies. In many cases, victims are not even aware of having been bitten by a bat, assuming that a small puncture wound found after the fact was the bite of an insect or spider; in some cases, no wound at all can be found, leading to the hypothesis that in some cases the virus can be contracted via inhaling airborne aerosols from the vicinity of bats. For instance, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) warned on May 9, 1997, that a woman who died in October, 1996 in Cumberland County, Kentucky and a man who died in December, 1996 in Missoula County, Montana were both infected with a rabies strain found in silver-haired bats; although bats were found living in the chimney of the woman's home and near the man's workplace, neither victim could remember having had any contact with them.[18] Similar reports among spelunkers led to experimental demonstration in animals.[19] This inability to recognize a potential infection, in contrast to a bite from a dog or raccoon, leads to a lack of proper prophylactic treatment, and is the cause of the high mortality rate for bat bites.

On September 7, 2007, rabies expert Dr. Charles Rupprecht of Atlanta-based U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that canine rabies had disappeared from the United States. Rupprecht emphasized that the disappearance of the canine-specific strain of rabies virus in the US does not eliminate the need for dog rabies vaccination as dogs can still become infected from exposure to wildlife.[20]

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Why do I need to vaccinate my puppy? [View all] uppityperson Jan 2015 OP
K&R eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #1
I like puppies shenmue Jan 2015 #2
Oh snap! HappyMe Jan 2015 #3
Vaccines don’t feel right for me and my family. uppityperson Jan 2015 #4
But subjecting others to HappyMe Jan 2015 #5
I saw that. Brigid Jan 2015 #9
I know you came to this decision after a lot of meditation REP Jan 2015 #6
Parvo virus is a miserable way to die& breaks human hearts too irisblue Jan 2015 #7
I agree. So is measles for kids like Roald Dahl's daughter did. uppityperson Jan 2015 #8
worse, you can't get rid of it in the environment TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #10
So right! Thank god my puppy was vaccinated for Parvo. broiles Feb 2015 #104
There actually are real, science based concerns Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #11
Thank you, Ms. Toad. I've read about these changes in pet vaccine schedules pnwmom Feb 2015 #100
"I don't know of any dog who has had rabies" Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #12
that picture looks like it was taken in a bookstore (several of the same titles next to the dog). ND-Dem Jan 2015 #16
I was thinking "thrift store" with that old chair. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #19
maybe. but i've seen bookstores with the same ambiance, old chairs where you could sit down ND-Dem Jan 2015 #20
If you really do value your puppy you will not vaccinate former9thward Jan 2015 #13
Ugh. Well, that didn't take long. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #14
And your dog is a reason I couldn't take mine to dog parks until he was fully vx'd uppityperson Jan 2015 #35
My dog is always the oldest at the dog parks. former9thward Jan 2015 #47
Instead of vaccinating yours, you risk the life of mine. How telling. uppityperson Jan 2015 #49
I said in my post I had the standard shots when she former9thward Jan 2015 #54
And George Burns lived to 100 despite heavy drinking and smoking LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #63
Not putting any dog at risk. former9thward Jan 2015 #65
I have Aced a college course in immunology. Have you? LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #67
Which has about zero to do with this discussion. former9thward Jan 2015 #75
Then don't derail things by saying things like "I bet you don't even know..." (nt) LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #90
Please link to where I said former9thward Feb 2015 #94
Here LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #95
And a college course in immunology tells you how former9thward Feb 2015 #96
It teaches you immunology LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #98
here.. 840high Jan 2015 #85
you have to pay for blood work titres....not cheap irisblue Feb 2015 #93
around here the recommendation has changed to every 3 years laundry_queen Jan 2015 #56
That's same as my Vet does. 840high Jan 2015 #86
My vet also. Every 3 years. uppityperson Jan 2015 #88
So no rabies tag or license either in those 17 ish years. MerryBlooms Jan 2015 #58
One rabies tag. former9thward Jan 2015 #59
You are fine with risking your pet's health and well being, which is disgustsing, but MerryBlooms Jan 2015 #61
I am not a risk of any of those things. former9thward Jan 2015 #64
Our mini long-hair doxy passed 2 years ago at the age of 19+ years MerryBlooms Jan 2015 #69
The dog parks I go to don't have former9thward Jan 2015 #73
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #72
find out what the law is about rabies in your state blackcrow Jan 2015 #15
My county requires annual rabies. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #18
I picked up our second puppy over 4 years ago at the rescue org. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #17
Awww! Cute little babies! smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #48
Beautiful, beautiful dogs!!!!!! etherealtruth Jan 2015 #78
People sterilize Kongs??? ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #21
Responsible Kong owners Lefta Dissenter Jan 2015 #60
They get underfoot in the dark of night and lead to accidental falls. uppityperson Jan 2015 #79
the truth or as best I can tell crayn Jan 2015 #22
Welcome to DU. You might want to fix your second sentence... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #23
Oops crayn Jan 2015 #27
Thanks! ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #30
Welcome to DU and uppityperson Jan 2015 #24
I don't think this is in response to your OP, uppity. See post #13. smokey nj Jan 2015 #26
Oops again crayn Jan 2015 #38
No worries, it gets confusing here sometimes and I agree with what you write. uppityperson Jan 2015 #40
Thanks crayn Jan 2015 #55
Welcome to DU! smokey nj Jan 2015 #25
Conversely, pay attention to the sarcasm tag. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #28
Read the thread, specifically post #13. That's the post to which I was referring. smokey nj Jan 2015 #31
That is not the post the person was referring to. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #34
Why the fuck are you attacking me? I merely welcomed a new member. smokey nj Jan 2015 #37
Why the "fuck" I'm "discussing" and not "attacking" you... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #39
You are attacking me and I don't appreciate it. I hardly ever respond to threads because of nasty smokey nj Jan 2015 #43
One person's "attack" is another's "discussion." I'll continue to call out the dredger uppers. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #45
And I'll keep calling out nasty people. smokey nj Jan 2015 #46
Best of luck! ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #50
I remember the most egregious posts, and those about hurting beings. uppityperson Jan 2015 #51
I don't have either. The Sarah Palin thing happened within the last few weeks and I remembered an smokey nj Jan 2015 #52
Yes, it was. They clarified here. uppityperson Jan 2015 #41
Thanks uppity! :) My other comments stand. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jan 2015 #29
I didn't mean you I meant post #13. smokey nj Jan 2015 #32
Got it, self deleted. No worries. nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #33
Why do I vaccinate my darling puppy, because I want her to be with me as long as possible. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #36
There are plenty of vets that disagree with you. former9thward Jan 2015 #53
I don't think the law is what you think it is. crayn Jan 2015 #57
Have you heard of Current Veterinary Therapy by Kirk? former9thward Jan 2015 #62
one reference? crayn Jan 2015 #66
U of Illinois, 1990., M.S. former9thward Jan 2015 #70
You're welcome crayn Jan 2015 #74
You must be real fun at a party. former9thward Jan 2015 #77
If you ever saw a puppy dying of distempter or parvovirus, you would not ask that... hlthe2b Jan 2015 #83
Did you miss the sarcasm in my OP? uppityperson Jan 2015 #84
Yes, I surely did... good to know. hlthe2b Jan 2015 #89
"Who is the fool now?" zappaman Jan 2015 #68
Ahhh, I'm so hurt... former9thward Jan 2015 #71
Did you ever stop to think, that maybe... Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #80
Because rabies vxs are preventing pets from getting rabies, they are vaccinating needlessly? WTF? uppityperson Jan 2015 #82
+1 pinto Jan 2015 #76
many times I've told my saintly vet that I'd far rather have him as my own doctor TorchTheWitch Feb 2015 #97
crayn blackcrow Feb 2015 #102
Rabies vaccination crayn Feb 2015 #103
I am in Georgia and no vet has ever insisted on the rabies shot after my dog had a reaction... Phentex Feb 2015 #105
Big pharma!!! zappaman Jan 2015 #42
I have a personal story that I am going through right now that is very relevant to this thread Godhumor Jan 2015 #81
Of course shots are important but 840high Jan 2015 #87
I'm a big believer of The rabies vaccine. Redford Jan 2015 #91
We have lots of raccoons around here and they can pass it on to their babies who show no signs uppityperson Jan 2015 #92
Wow, that is a hell of a story. Glad the horses (and you) came through OK. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #99
My head almost exploded. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #101
Right on! Puppies are people too! yellowcanine Feb 2015 #106
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