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Diclotican

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72. former9thward
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 03:31 PM
Feb 2015

former9thward

Socialism is more of a economical system - than a social system - even I know that - And some form of safety nets can, and have existed over the last millenniums - even in roman time it existed at least until 280 AD - when the taxes and the debase of the monetary values more or less destroyed what social safety nets existed back then...

In the middle ages - and also all the way up to our own time - Churches have been instrumental in building safety nets who needy people can and was given help - specially the Catholic church had great emphasis on helping the needy - Frans Assisi - who originally was a wealthy man who had some sort of a personal crisis - turned 180 grades around - gave all his wealth away - and lived the rest of his natural life as a poor Monk, and even grounded what become of the order of Franciscans - a order where poverty is one of its most important tenets, Not that it was any hinder for the order to be rich and powerfully all over Europe back in the days - even today they own a lot of property all over Europe - at least Western part of Europe, but still they do great services to many who other vice might not have had excess to anything... That be some food - or a shelter - or medical need when it arrive..

Feudalism did had some ideas of safety nets - even if it was mostly up to the lords of the manor to deiced if they wanted to do it or not - in most cases it was the customers of the manor who deiced if the needy was given help or not - but it was often a deep rooted tradition going back to antiquity - that the nobles every fall, had a celebration for the good harvest - where everyone was invited and was eating and drinking for days at the time. And where the social customs between lord and peasants was less clearly than in the rest of the year - in most cases it was the church, in the middle ages the Catholic Church who did most of the services to needy people - sick, ill, old people not able to fend or them self - and children who had lost their parents - all of them could be given help from the church - or the local monastery - as long as needed... Many of the children who had lost their parents and ended up in a monastery - was staying there for the rest of their life - often ended up as monks them self - because they had been teach the ideals from a young age - and maybe also because, for the most part they had no other shoice....

Every civilized nations on the face of the earth have some form of a safety net, where you can get help and attention to your needs if needed - but in the US, it is still mostly fend for yourself - and if I have not mistaken it - it is not easy to get help from your form of Social net for the ones who end up sick or poor - or have never experienced anything else than being poor..

Dicloticna

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k&r ND-Dem Jan 2015 #1
It is looking that way more every day. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #15
A very famous capitalist Roy Rolling Jan 2015 #20
and right he was ND-Dem Jan 2015 #27
Who was that? former9thward Feb 2015 #65
Talking to a friend that works for a medical insurance company. Just where did your job come from? brewens Jan 2015 #2
Any kind of size-able middle class is impossible without government intervention stevenleser Jan 2015 #3
I dont think you are allowed to say the word socialism here... NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #4
say it loud and say it proud navarth Jan 2015 #47
The U.S. Military tecelote Feb 2015 #68
Summary of the Republican strategy: thesquanderer Jan 2015 #5
K&R. Thanks, Bill! nt valerief Jan 2015 #6
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #7
Well... yallerdawg Jan 2015 #8
I am an upper-case 'D' Democrat, but I'm really a lower-case 'd' democratic socialist. ColesCountyDem Jan 2015 #9
K&R! napkinz Jan 2015 #10
That was an excellent New Rule. Initech Jan 2015 #11
Not "petty" criminals. Grand larceny = *major* criminality. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #37
True - it is grand larceny. Initech Jan 2015 #44
When people rob banks it's a felony... Padiddle Feb 2015 #73
Greatest economic growth EVER (1960-70's) under most socialized period. ErikJ Jan 2015 #12
Priceless! McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #13
Bill is just being silly. But he is right. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #14
The middle class was created by unions AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #16
Even regionally in the USA underpants Jan 2015 #30
+100. n/t whathehell Feb 2015 #66
Strong unions AND high tax rate for most wealthy duhneece Feb 2015 #69
He's got this one dead right.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #17
Apparently Bill has no idea what socialism is. former9thward Jan 2015 #18
socialism = socialized means of production and socialized distribution of benefits/wealth. so ND-Dem Jan 2015 #28
I am unaware of any socialized means of production in Germany. former9thward Jan 2015 #32
sorry, they *are* socialist; the cost and benefit is socialized. the opposite would be privately ND-Dem Jan 2015 #35
So when the Romans had Bears tear apart Christians former9thward Jan 2015 #36
if the government was paying for free entertainment for the masses -- yeah, it was at least ND-Dem Jan 2015 #41
I would love to see you link to a Socialist thinker former9thward Jan 2015 #42
marx was a communist thinker ND-Dem Jan 2015 #43
+10 appalachiablue Jan 2015 #48
That may be true JonLP24 Jan 2015 #40
Dictionary definitions JDPriestly Jan 2015 #61
Yes,it "isn't exactly socialism" former9thward Feb 2015 #64
former9thward Diclotican Feb 2015 #70
Yes, I agree with I think everything you say. former9thward Feb 2015 #71
former9thward Diclotican Feb 2015 #72
Let's Have A Plague! moondust Jan 2015 #19
We've already have the measles, what else do you want... lonestarnot Jan 2015 #25
Maher is right...... RationalMan Jan 2015 #21
The main reason was the existence of the soviet bloc and communism as the "threat of a ND-Dem Jan 2015 #29
The decline happened way before the collapse of the Soviet Union AZ Progressive Jan 2015 #34
no; the decline *started* before the collapse, but not "way before". There were rebellions ND-Dem Jan 2015 #39
Maher smacks it out of the park again. hifiguy Jan 2015 #22
Good on Bill. Joaquin Casto was great. Dems. should put him in a cabinet position or VP asap. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #23
After WW II The Wizard Jan 2015 #24
Before WW II JonLP24 Jan 2015 #33
I suspect Julian Castro will be the Dem VP nominee in 2016, or in 2020 at the latest. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #38
Yes. I agree. And he will be elected. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #51
"Right Arm" Bill. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #26
Don't think he's had Warren on the show; he should. Naomi Klein was on last fall, Bernie too. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #46
Yes he's had Warren on the show navarth Jan 2015 #50
Thanks. A return would be good. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #52
John Maynard Keynes JonLP24 Jan 2015 #31
Bill Maher... sendero Jan 2015 #45
Confession: We bought our house with the GI Bill. Couldn't have done it without JDPriestly Jan 2015 #49
Socialized =/= socialism Matrosov Jan 2015 #53
We do have Socialsm in this country, it's called Privatize the profits - Socialize the losses Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #55
Not quite correct PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #57
True, though some also consider that real communism... Matrosov Jan 2015 #60
A middle-class is the key to peace and prosperity. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #54
Republicans don't care n2doc Jan 2015 #56
This route was denied to blacks through discriminatory federal housing policy. kwassa Jan 2015 #58
Socialism!? davidn3600 Jan 2015 #59
K&R! DeSwiss Jan 2015 #62
Oh is that he says? What does Rush Limbaugh think? And how about Mitt Romney? closeupready Jan 2015 #63
K, R, Bookmarking. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #67
kick napkinz Feb 2015 #74
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